44-14036 in the 364th FG?

Mat,maybe you look at Little friends of Peter Rendall.
Norman Bettin flew also an Photo Recce in a P-51D of 364th FG.
I have a lot of photos of Bettin,maybe is Skenyon also on some photos.
 
Grusse,Jaap

Hey,
 
Thanks for your kind answer;
 
It the 364th Fg lists from Littlefriends are 44-14030, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35...but not 36!
 
Mystery stays opened!
 
Concerning the TR pilot you evocated flying a converted plane from the 364th FG,do you know in which one TRS he flew with?
 
Thanks for your kind help!
 
Mathias
 
 

Thanks Ted,
 
very interesting and important document; would it be possible to have a scan of that page evocating 44-14036 maybe?
 
In the individual aircraft record card that I have are evocated the following dates and elements:
 
M  Y   ASC   PAO         PPJ92753RD   P51D44   14036  7    7  2365  6  26  4200
SOXO                             G  P51D             8 44  14036    723 44
SOXO                             A P51D             8 44   14036    7  7 44    
 
GLUE   9AFCON    MIA   R P51D              8 44  14036  112844   11845            
(same line again)
 
Some planes from the 382nd FS were affected to the new 162nd TRS on date of its re-designation, (= 3 september 44). The 382nd was disbanded and didn't exist anymore after that date.
 
Impossible for me to say if 44-14036 was one of the old planes of the 382nd FS.
 
What you say about your record let us learn that it was for a short time (july?) in the 364th FG, ...but don't let us conclude as sure that it would NOT have been serving in the 382nd FS in late august 44...or ?

What I have red on the code-pages I received with it , is that "SOXO" is code for 8th AF, and GLUE is the one for 9th AF: on november 28th 1944 was the plane visibely declared MIA (it was lost on 25th), and maybe on january 18th 45 as retired (=R?) from the lists?
 
I cannot see where appears the 364th FG unit code on theses numbers; is it evocated (with a code maybe) in that document (in the first line maybe)?
 
If you can have some explanation about the coded lines there I would appreciate, and especially concerning the first one!
 
Thanks for your very kind help, Ted!
 
 

Mathias:
The many questions you ask will have to answered in 2 posts. I will deal with the IARc (Individual Aircraft Record card) first.
IARcs do not usually show transfers of aircraft between AFs in the ETO and never between Groups/Squadron. The dates that are most important in the IARc are:
1) date the aircraft left the US
2) CON date which indicates that last date that the airframe was on the officially in AF custody.
The Dates associated with the G &, A codes for the most part are not really accuarate indicators and are only approximations of A-when the aircraft was available for deployment to a War Zone and G when the aircraft was available for deployment to a specific Group. The best rule of thumb that I have come up with is an approximaiton that from the time an airframe left the US to when it was deployed to a Group was between 28-35 days. Generally the MIA dates for any one aircraft are fairly accurate with the exception of some of the 9th AF P-51s which might show dates 1 to 2 days later than the actual loss to cover the 48 hours needed to qualify for a MACR.
Bottom line is that IARcs are only good for dates and not actual identifications of aircraft. It is possible to use the Proj # in the right hand corner of the card as an aid in identification but not soley. Dates of other events in the aircraft's history usually come from Form 14 Accident Reports, Encounter Reports, and Group/Squaron microfilms that sometimes mention Forced Landings. Sadly, the 364th records are not very complete in their Group/Squaron records. To date I have not been able to locate the Massed Flight Lists though there is some indication that they do exist. The Massed Flight Lists would certainly add a great deal to the aircraft histories as they do for other Groups. The individual aircraft letter codes that you mentioned came from photos, Encounter Reports, or some of the Form 14s.
I will write again tomorrow.  Ted51
 

Thanks for your both every detailled answers, Ted;
just a question before the rest, Ted; are you Ted Dam... maybe?
 
About your answers, if I resume what you said:
 
- it is prouved by your document of the NARA that the 44-14036 had - for a (short) time- been flying in the 364th FG
- but we cannot exclude that that plane after that could have flown with the 382nd FS (in august for example)
- the C3 code that you have in your list of the 44-14030 to 44-14039  is the only one squadron code we know for that plane 44-14036, but was probably not the first one, but probably second one (after one probable code of the one of the 3 squadrons of the 364th FG).
 
That list of 10 planes affectation you gave me is a reconstitution of what you - or other reserachers- have found about the affectation of thoses plane, but isn't a list of WWII which could have systematicaly given the first deployment of those 10 planes as just coming from the states;
 
Am I OK with that?
 
Thanks very much for your very kind and detailled help, Ted! very helpfull for me!
 
Mathias
 
the mechanical operation dated about september 10th probably consisted in transforming that P51D ionan F6 as the plane was reafected in teh 162nd TRS;