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Need some help in understanding the BG command ladder

Howdy,
As many books as I've read the last couple of years and the hand full of movies, including the TV show, 12 'O Clock High, I'm still rather perplexed on how the command ladder at the BG worked it self out. From looking at past threads on the forum, the only thing I found was this list from 1941; so it's pre-war. I'm guessing things shook out a bit differently when war came a knocking. I'm not as interested in fleshing out all the differences as I am a few specifics that I have questions about. So here we go, first with the list, and then the questions I have.
 
Command structure from summer 1941
A Hq and Hq Sq, Bombardment Group (Heavy) (dated 1 Jul 1941)
Total of 24 officers, consisting of:
1 Colonel, Commanding Officer
1 Lieutenant Colonel, Executive Officer
3 Majors, consisting of:
1 Group Operations and Intelligence Officer
1 Group Material Officer
1 Headquarters Squadron Commander
8 Captains, consisting of:
1 Group Adjutant
1 Assistant Operations and Intelligence Officer and Navigator
1 Group Intelligence Officer
1 Group Armament and Chemical Officer
1 Group Communications Officer
1 Headquarters Squadron Operations Officer
1 Group Surgeon (from Medical Corps)
1 Group Dental Surgeon (from Dental Corps)
8 First Lieutenants, consisting of:
1 Group Assistant Adjutant and Personnel Officer
1 Group Assistant Operations and Intelligence officer
1 Group Weather Officer
1 Headquarters Squadron Adjutant
1 Headquarters Squadron Transportation Officer
1 Headquarters Squadron Engineering Officer
1 Headquarters Squadron Copilot or Navigator
1 Chaplain (from Chaplain Corps)
3 Second Lieutenants, consisting of:
1 Assistant Material Officer
2 Headquarters Squadron Copilots or navigators
1)      Firstly, was a BG always overseen by a brigadier general, or could it also be a colonel? If every BG was overseen by a brigadier general, was the Brigadier General living on base, or was he residing elsewhere?
2)      Beyond the air and ground execs under the colonel, who was in charge of the 4 individual squadrons? Was it always a major, or could it be a captain, or even a lieutenant?
3)      If so, did these squadron leaders have their own offices, or was it a floating sort of an office?
 
I’m sure I’ll have more follow-up questions.
 
Thanks once again in advance for your help!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Best Regards,

Stu Ehr
Sisters, Oregon

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    MB0427
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    Re:Need some help in understanding the BG command ladder (permalink)
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        Stu,
    The CO of the 94th BG was always a Colonel. There was a seperate quarters for him on base. I would think that in different theatre of operations the facilities available would determine whether they had their own "residence".
     
    Original 94th squadron CO's were three Majors and one Captain. Two Major CO's went down. One replaced by an interim CO who was a 1/Lt. who was replaced by a Captain who commanded the 410th Sq as a Captain until eventually becoming a Major. Ability to do the job was more important to the CO than rank.
     
    Squadrons had individual Operations buildings where the Squadron CO's office was. Likely not so in some other BG's or operational areas. 
     
    The other Officers you list were not all the rank they noted in 1941. Also the numbers changed as some operational units were added or consolidated. Officers were promoted during their tours and Junior Officers would take their place at times instead of someone of the same rank. Many variables. Regards, Marc
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    Many thanks Marc for your help in understanding how it shook out in the 94th, as well as how it probably played out in other BGs. It sounds like there was a bit of flexibility based on need and experience and not as much on rank.
     
    It was obviously a very amazing time in our military's history when a lot was happening very fast and had to happen in the AAF without the luxury of time.
     
    Thanks again!

    Best Regards,

    Stu Ehr
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    The thread you quote sound familiar, as I think I posted it.
    The various ranks I listed were based on the T/O from 1941.  In reality, no group in the AAF in 1941 had a Colonel commanding it, as most were Lieutenant Colonels or even Majors, and squadrons were commanded by Majors or Captains.
    This lag in rank was due to two factors:
    A shortage of officers in the Air Corps, especially pilots
    The promotion lists for various ranks always lagged behind the speed in which new units were being created.  Air Corps officers had their own promotion list, which actually promoted them faster that officers of other arms and services, but the army was not willing to move them up the ladder too fast.  This lag was somewhat solved from 1942 on, by promoting them in the Army of the U. S. (AUS), but there was still some lag because of the speed of mobilization.

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    Good insights Mark. Thanks. The process and procedures for filling the gaps that were a daily reality sounds like it hinged somewhat on rank, but more on who was available and had the qualifications/experience to step into the position of leadership.
     
    As Marc, pointed out, that at least for the 94th, each squadron had its own office. I'm guessing that the squadron office belonged to the squadron lead who was at least a captain?
    Do you know what sorts of things happened at the squadron office level, what purpose it served and who served in it?
     
    Thanks again!
     
     

    Best Regards,

    Stu Ehr
    Sisters, Oregon
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