Evan
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Most Widely Used Training Aircraft?
What was the most (or were there several?) widely used training aircraft for AAF in the States before deployment? Can anyone list a few for me? How did the training aircraft differ for the fighter guys and the bomber guys? Thanks, Evan
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I would assume the most widely used would be the PT ( Primary Trainer ) such as the PT-13, PT-19, etc. because all cadets learned initial flying in them. After graduating primary, some were sent to single-engine advanced, some to dual-engine, etc, but ALL started in the primary trainers.
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Primary trainer Stearman PT 17 or 19 Basic Trainer Vultee BT 13 (Vultee Vibrator) 450 HP Advanced trainer AT 10, AT9 twin engines HP usually went to multi engine bombers AT 6 single engine (Texan) usually went to single engine fighters fighters
Jules Horowitz, B-17 pilot, 99th BG, 50 missions/sorties My tour was from 7/19/43-2/13/44
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Pilot training in WWII was a four step process: primary, basic, advanced, and transitional training. The aircraft used continued to change throughout the war. Here is a good page that summarizes the variety used at each step in the process: http://scharch.org/Dick_B...AAF%20Training/AAF.htm For primary and basic pilot training, the planes used would be the same regardless of the ultimate type the pilot would fly. It is with the third stage, advanced pilot training, that pilots would be differentiated between those to be trained for single engine airplanes from those being trained for multi-engine airplanes. Those slated to fly multi-engine bombers or cargo planes (or the P-38 fighter) learned to fly two-engine planes in advanced training. After advanced school, the pilot would then go onto transition school, which taught them on the specific aircraft they would be specialized for. Kevin Anderson 'whose uncle was a WWII B-25 combat pilot
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Evan, Johns first schooling was at Butler University in Indiana. He had never been in an airplane before and it was here that his flight training started out in a Piper Cub ( my guess Piper without going thru his records). His primary training was in the P-13, form 5 shows basic in the AT- 6 and different models of the P-40. Transition before deploying overseas was in the P-47. At Madna Italy he had about three weeks in the P-51 before going into combat with a P-51. My uneducated guess of why the P-47 and not the P-51 in transition, more P-47s were available.
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 This is a Postcard that my Uncle Charlie sent to my father(then about 11 years old) during his training. My father was a chubby kid hence his nickname. Glenn 2nd Lt. Charles Spiegel 451st BG, 724th Sq. KIA 12/29/44 Udine, Italy
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Evan, Among "multi-engine" A/C's, almost all of the B-24Es at FO WR (490 assemblies which includes the 1st one made from some CO components and used for assembly instructional purposes) were used for training and ferrying as opposed to combat. As Al Blue points out in The B-24 Liberator (p.37), resulting from FO not being able to process engineering changes quickly enough early on, "these aircraft were placed in the 'limited standard' service category on 18SE43 and practically none reached the overseas combat operations." By the time everything got ironed out and improved, FO was into the "H" variant. Based on this, it is a good chance that many a young "bomber pilot" was trained in a B-24E-FO Liberator or a B-24E-CF with FO components.
Best Regards! Steven Puhl Ford Willow Run B-24 Bomber Plant ( FO) Historian ADMINISTRATOR: http://www.armyairforces.com/Life Member: Yankee Air Museum Member: 8TH AF Historical Society Member: 2ND Air Division Historical Society
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Great responses thank you. Glenn - beautiful postcard! Thanks for posting it here. Steven out of interest did the B-24Es have a similar appearance in to the B-24Ds? Greenhouse in the nose? I want to represent a few levels of aircraft from smallest / training aircraft up to a later Liberator combat variant, probably an 'H' or 'J'. I think i'll go for the Vultee either the 'Valiant' or the 'Vibrator' Like the look of them and the nicknames are a bonus. Regards, Evan
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Good morning, Evan, Yes, basically the appearance of the FO B-24E was the CO B-24D with engineering modifications as it progressed, i.e. armament. The OD paint scheme also had the signature "scalloped grey" under-fuselage scheme until the advent of the NMF in early 1944.
Best Regards! Steven Puhl Ford Willow Run B-24 Bomber Plant ( FO) Historian ADMINISTRATOR: http://www.armyairforces.com/Life Member: Yankee Air Museum Member: 8TH AF Historical Society Member: 2ND Air Division Historical Society
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