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Decoding Honorable Discharge paper.

I am trying to help a lady find out why her father was discharge so soon after enlisting. I'll try to attach a copy of his discharge paper but the reason given is "Soldiers Option - VOG Par 23, AR 625-5 & Ltr "q. IRTC dated May 7, 1943."
Any idea what this means?
Thanks for any and all help,

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    tonystro
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    Jim,
     
    For what its worth---
    Army Regulation (AR) 625-5, "Officer Candidates," 26 Nov 42,  and
    IRTC is Infantry Replacement Training Center
     
    Did this occur near the end of the war?  Perhaps he was able to be discharged because there was no place for him?

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    Tony,
    This document says he was inducted 19 April '43 and discharge 15 May of the same year.
    By the way, did you get the photo album off ebay the other week?

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    I think your attachment says "VOC" rather than VOG.  VOC means "Verbal Order of the Commander".  Also, it says "Ltr Hq. IRTC" (Letter Headquarters IRTC)--the "H" was mis-typed.  So, it appears that he was excused from the IRTC for some reason and discharged from the Army honorably--perhaps due to a personal or family emergency or hardship.  Since the discharge was honorable, he wasn't discharged for misconduct or some other unsatisfactory behaviour.  
    It looks like you copied only the first part of the paper. Is there any more information farther down in the document (such as code letters)?

     
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    Keep in mind that in that period of the war, draft age was from 18 yrs old to 35. A remote possibility, age and hardship was a factor.

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    Just a little more info on IRTC (Infantry Replacement Training Center):
     
    "Replacement Training Centers were an integral part of World War II.  Soldier's entering the Army and ultimately the War spent 13 weeks learning the fundamentals of soldiering in one of twenty one Centers that were to be be constructed during the during the Winter and Spring of 1940-1941.    Replacement training centers were opened in March 1941, about six months after the launching of Selective Service. For the remainder of 1941 the recently inducted civilian received his basic training at a replacement center.  By April 1945, approximately 2,500,000 enlisted men had been graduated from replacement training agencies of the combat arm — infantry, cavalry, field artillery, coast artillery, antiaircraft, armored, and tank destroyer."
     
    Do you know if he enlisted voluntarily, or if he was drafted?  Does the daughter have any other records (such as his DD-214 form?)
     
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    Thanks for all your help!
    Yunch, you could be right. He was almosy 33 years of age.
    I'm also including full page scans of front and back.

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    Jim,
    Thanks for reposting the full pages.  
    One more request:  Can you tell us what the very last lines at the bottom of the front side read (the small print below the signatures)?  It looks like it might explain something, but it's very hard to read. Also, on the back, can you make out what is typed in the "Physical Condition When Discharged" line and below that the "Character" line?    I see that he was drafted, but I'm still not sure that age was the main reason for his discharge (although, as Yunch said, it could have been a contributing factor).  It looks like he requested a discharge from the Army under AR625-5 for some reason.  So far I've been unable to find a copy of those Army Regulations online anywhere. 
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    Looks to me like under  Physical condition ... " it says " Good ", and under Character, " Excellent "                 

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    The small print on the bottom of the front page appears to  contain instructions for completion of the form. The name in the first full line is "John J. Doe".  The last three words at the end of the same line are "Sergeant Quartermaster Corps". Directly under these three words is a name that I can't make out.

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    I found this information regarding AR 625-5 :
    "Army Regulation 625-5 prescribes the policy, procedure, and guidance on the preparation of separation documents that are prepared for individuals upon retirement, discharge, or release from active duty military service or control of the Army.  It establishes standardized policy for preparing and distributing the separation document (DD Form 214) and states, in pertinent part, that the entry “SOLDIER HAS COMPLETED FIRST FULL TERM OF SERVICE” will be entered in block 18 (Remarks) of the DD Form 214 issued to soldiers separated early for the convenience of the government if the narrative reason for their separation is listed as “completion of term of service”."

    However, I still cannot find a full version of that AR anywhere.
     
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    If you are looking at a version of AR 625-5 that refers to the DD Form 214, it is not a WW II version of the regulation.  The "DD" in DD-214 refers to the Department of Defense.  The World War II discharge form was a War Department Adjutant General's Office (WD AG0) form.  The Certificate of Service was WD AGO Form 280 and the Report of Separation was WD AGO Form 53.

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