WWII Patches

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  1. Lon E. Klump

    Lon E. Klump New Member

    My uncle was a T/Sgt Radioman/Gunner on a B-17 flying missions out of Thurleigh, UK with the 306th Bomb Group and 368th Bomb Squadron. He flew all his missions (I believe) on "Weary Bones" in 1944. When my uncle passed in 1991, I inherited much of his memorabilia. Among his things were many patches, but not certain some of these actually belonged to him. From my own research, I think a couple of the symbols are from cadet patches . . . Also in 1944, would my uncle have worn the standard aircrew wings, or the "flying bullet" wings. . . I hope I have provided enough info and hope that someone out there can shed some light on my questions. Thank you in advance.
     

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  2. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Lon,
    Can you give us his full name and year of birth? Anything else you may know about his crew? Name of Pilot? Unlikely he would have flown ALL of his missions on a single aircraft. Crews frequently flew a number of aircraft during their tour of duty, sometimes up to 10 or 12 different planes.

    Regarding his wings, they would have had a downward facing bullet in the center.

    For what it's worth here is a link to Weary Bones. If you click on 'About this image' you can download a copy of the photo.

    http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/6866
     
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  3. JolietMark

    JolietMark New Member

    Lon, the bottom right patch is for an aviation cadet, so he may have been one and washed out. The T/Sgt stripes are nice as they still have the AAF logo in the middle which was deemed obsolete in early '43. The patch on the top left is the 2nd Air Force, this was a state-side Air Force, he may have trained with a unit in that AF before heading overseas or may have been an instructor after his return to the states. The top middle patch is the standard AAF shoulder insignia and the top right patch is a very nice English-made 8th AF.
    As for the wings, it all depends, some guys were trained as gunners only and wore the winged bullet wing, others, Radio-operators and Flight Engineers wore the Aircrew wing. I have talked to quite a few vets who wore the aircrew wing to show that they weren't gunners only, but it was just a matter of choice.
    I hope this helps in some way,
    Mark
     
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  4. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Mark,
    In my limited experience the ROGs that I have encountered all wore the 'flying bullet' wings. Possibly after the Radio Room gun was eliminated the ROs reverted to Aircrew wings. Although even then the ROs were required to man a waist gun when needed.
    Hal
     
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  5. Lon E. Klump

    Lon E. Klump New Member

    Thank you all for your response . . . My uncle was T/Sgt George James Allen, DOB May 22, 1915, Pilot was Walt Kielt. I have his Operational Sortie Record however that does not reflect the aircraft . . . I have pictures of my uncle with "Weary Bones" and with "Furlough Myrtle". Thanks again, Great help and information.
     

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  6. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Mission list will be very helpful. Crew photo you posted is the same one as on the AAM link which is identified there as a different crew?
     
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  7. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

  8. Lon E. Klump

    Lon E. Klump New Member

    The only annotation on the back of the
    The only annotation on the back of the photo was "Mixed Crew at Thurleigh Hardstand, Winter 1944"
     
  9. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    There is an interesting article about Weary Bones and Walter "Keilt" here, not sure all have seen it.

    http://www.306bg.us/Echoes files/apr2010C.pdf


    You can find some other "Weary Bones" items by doing a Google site search, i.e. enter into the Google Search field: site:www.306bg.us Weary Bones

    You could also try site searches for Keilt : site:www.306bg.us Keilt

    or "George J Allen" or "Allen, George J" : site:www.306bg.us "George J Allen"|"Allen, George J"

    A few things turn up, although if the pdf file is not also indexed for the same terms, you need to read through the file to find the reference.
     
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  10. Lon E. Klump

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  11. Lon E. Klump

    Lon E. Klump New Member

    Is there a website to find all Ribbons/Medals awarded to my uncle George James Allen . . . I know he received the DSC and Air Medal . . .
     
  12. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

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  13. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Great photo of Sgt George James Allen from Ancestry.com
    Sgt George James Allen.jpg
    Captioned: George in Uncle Jim & Aunt Carol's living room, Ursula's photo in background.
    Reading Life Magazine April 17, 1944 with Esther Williams on the cover.

    Another photo from that collection captioned: George J. Allen and the crew of the B17 "Weary Bones"
    George J. Allen & crew of Weary Bones.jpg
    For the record this is a ZI training Fort.

    Your uncles discharge papers are also available from this source. As to the awards he earned only the ones recorded here would apply: [Box 33]; Air Medal w/3 OLC, 306BG Distinguished Unit Citation, and Distinguished Flying Cross. [Box 55}: European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal (EMEA), American Defense Service Medal, One (1) Overseas Service Bar, Discharge Lapel Pin & four uniform patches (ruptured duck)
    George J Allen Honorable Discharge.jpg
     

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  14. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Have never seen this type of information on any website. At the time of the award your uncle would have been presented with a citation concerning the award. Occasionally the microfilms of the Group records will contain a general listing of all the awards presented in a given month but the individual citations are not included, just a list of names. If your uncle did not save those citations the only other place you would find that information would be his Discharge papers or his Army Personnal File.

    EDIT:

    Just saw that Scott has posted a page from his Discharge. See the top of the page for his awards. Scott, great find, wonder who posted that on Ancestry, never saw that before.
     
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  15. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Hal,
    All of this and a lot more was posted over in a family tree section, user name markkernan1. This is a first for me too but it has made studying Sgt Allen much easier. I hope Lon knows this person likely a relative. I would never post anything sensitive but here is Sgt Allen's Radio School diploma; first of these I've seen.
    George J Allen Radio school deploma.jpg
     
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  16. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Scott,

    Very interesting. Have never seen one of those before. Thanks.
     
  17. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Rather incredible! Kind of a gold mine, so few of these documents survived. Here is his Kingman Army Air Field, Fixable Gunnery Diploma. "License to Kill" awarded by Bugs Bunny no less. Who ever said the Army Air Forces didn't have a sense of humor.
    George J Allen Flex Gunnery deploma.jpg
    And those wings noted and earner look like this:
    Aerial Gunner Wings WWII.jpg

    They came in a variety of types but all were "Silver Wings"
     
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