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Wreak of USS Indianapolis (CA-35) found 19 August 2017 by Paul Allen research vessel Petrel

Discussion in '509th CG - Tinian' started by 25Kingman49, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    This is rapidly becoming old news so it seemed proper to add some links of interest for this discovery. First as most likely know CA-35 delivered components for the "Little Boy" weapon to Tinian. Those components were packaged in three crates, included the gun barrel and target case and additional bomb components in one crate (10,000 lbs.), another crate containing scientific instruments tools, etc., and one container holding the Uranium U-235 projectile rings, with lead shielding, see attached memo Maj. John Derry (Gen Groves Washington D.C. assistant/expediter) to Admiral Delany regarding this shipment aboard CA-35.

    Where to start? The Atomic Heritage Foundation has a good page about CA-35 and its relationship to the Manhattan Project but it might be best to start with the new USN records rediscovered by Naval History and Heritage Command researcher Richard Hulver which pushed the wreak search area further west than the original sinking site estimate of 12° 1'60.00"N, 134°47'60.00"E, per IJN submarine I-58 which sank her 30 July 1945.

    The following is my prioritized list of sites which cover CA-35 and its discovery 3.5 miles, 18,000 ft below the surface of the Philippine Sea. In comparison the wreck of the RMS Titanic lies at a depth of about 12,500 feet (3,800 m) (2.37 miles (3.81 km)),

    New search coordinates https://news.usni.org/2016/07/27/new-lead-uncovered-search-uss-indianapolis

    USS LST-779 (chance sighting) of CA-35 http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/16/160779.htm

    IJN Submarine I-58: Tabular Record of Movement http://www.combinedfleet.com/I-58.htm
    well documented record, including good photos of CA-35 wreak site from Paul Allen's team.

    The IJN sub that sank CA-35 https://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=IJN-I58

    Paul Allen's research vessel Petrel discovers wreak of CA-35 http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/19/us/uss-indianapolis-wreckage-found/index.html

    AHF, USS Indianapolis page http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/uss-indianapolis

    There will certainly be more news and images from this new USN grave site. As such for now the actual coordinates remain classified/restricted, may they all continue to rest at peace.

    The last CA-35 casualty; Capt Charles Butler McVay, III, 30 July 1898 to 6 November 1968
    findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=20356789

    CA-35 anchored Tinian harbor delivering her atomic cargo.
    0403508 CA-35 Tinian LB delivery.jpg

    Documentary Missing The USS Indianapolis. [historical note, during the CA-35 Mare Island dry-dock and refit after Okinawa kamikaze damage its camouflage paint scheme was removed. Images of her here with camouflage are likely taken during the CA-35 assault of Saipan or later at Okinawa)


    Up-close look at sunken USS Indianapolis, missing since WWII
     

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  2. terveurn

    terveurn Active Member

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    Airwar Well-Known Member

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  4. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Dave.
    Most interesting and "disturbing" article about the fate of these other WW II warships salvaged by wreak pirates. However HMAS Perth and USS Houston for example lay at a depth of 37 meters / 121 feet well within reach of recreational divers and "pirates" with only "minor" special diving equipment required, see http://www.asiadivers.com/technical...techasia_diving/expeditions/Java_MoreInfo.pdf

    The "Indy" CA-35 is likely safe from salvage pirates at a depth of 3.5 miles / 5.6 km, or 18,000 feet / 5,500 meters, and for added security the exact wreak site coordinates remain classified/restricted. Hopefully this will deter the salvage pirates and "other" souvenir hunters.
     
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  5. terveurn

    terveurn Active Member

    The wrecks that were salvaged were also had there coordinates restricted -- did not stop these people.

    Given that a lot of these pirates (???) are possibly supported by the Chinese government nothing is out of reach.
     
  6. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you "Gloom and Doom Dave" for your unsupported (???) speculation.
     
  7. terveurn

    terveurn Active Member

    Did you even bother reading any of the reports on the rape of the wrecks in the Java sea or just blowing smoke rings out your ass >:???



    Lets see, the Titanic is at 18,000 feet and did not stop people from raping this ship.

    There was trade from the Bismark that was stopped real fast

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hips-being-stripped-bare-for-scrap-metal.html

    Scuba diver Monica Chin said local fishermen called her late last month to say a large Chinese vessel with workers on board was using a crane to tear apart the Japanese ships.

    Photos and video footage taken by the fisherman and passed to the Guardian show a large ship with a giant crane for hoisting underwater material. Ship-tracking websites describe the vessel as a “grab dredger”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...japanese-wwii-shipwrecks-torn-apart-for-scrap

    Its director, Abdul Nasar Abdul Hadi, withdrew the letter of authorisation from Ugeens Berjaya Enterprise, which has commissioned a China-registered vessel to salvage materials from WWII Japanese shipwrecks.


    https://www.nst.com.my/news/2017/01...s-commissioned-vessel-leave-usukan-waters?d=1



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...se-wwii-shipwrecks-torn-apart-for-scrap#img-2



    I can post a lot most -- some of the missing ships have been as deep as 700 feet

     
  8. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    700 feet oh my...!
     
  9. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    USS Indianapolis PBS documentary coming to a channel near you. To learn more about the expedition and to see a live tour of the wreckage, please tune in to your local PBS Channel THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 10pm Eastern Time and 9pm Central Time.

    Hosted by Emmy Award-winning broadcast journalist Miles O’Brien, USS Indianapolis Live - From the Deep takes viewers through the wreckage of the Fifth Fleet’s naval flagship, which lies more than three miles below the surface of the Philippine Sea.

    Through a one-hour live exploration, USS Indianapolis Live - From the Deep will give viewers a tour of the wreckage from the World War II vessel that has rested at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean since its sinking in 1945.

    The USS Indianapolis Second Watch Organization would like to thank Mr Paul Allen, Vulcan Inc, and the crew of the research vessel Petrel for their dedication to this amazing, historical discovery!

    We anticipate that their discovery will be presented in a respectful manner on Wednesday and their efforts to honor the story and the final sailing crew will be fulfilled.

    After 72 years, the discovery has been met with a range of emotions. And I am sure that the live tour on Wednesday will bring up this range of emotions even more so. May we never forget the sacrifices of not only the final sailing crew, but the sacrifices of the families that lost their loved ones at sea - and made the ultimate sacrifice for the freedoms that we enjoy today.
    Also see the USS Indianapolis web site http://www.ussindianapolis.org/ for CA-35 details, and the Second Watch Organization.

    (Refer to your local listings for more detailed information in your area and to set your DVR)

    PBS promo www.pbs.org/ussindianapolis
     
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  10. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    USS Indianapolis PBS documentary. In the event you missed the live broadcast it is also available here (57 minutes)

     

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