Rudolf Frahn saved Allied flier

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  1. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Another source for 18 June 1944 https://8thafhs.org/combat1944a.htm
    SUNDAY, 18 JUNE 1944

    STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 421: 1,378 bombers are dispatched to targets in Germany; 11 bombers are lost, 10 to AA fire and 1 to unknown causes:

    1. Of 890 B-17s dispatched, 381 bomb Hamburg, 88 hit Hannover-Misburg oil refinery, 85 hit the Bremen area; 60 hit Hannover, 54 hit Hamburg-Eurotank oil refinery, 38 hit Hamburg-Ossag oil refinery, 36 hit Hamburg-Schindler oil refinery, 18 hit Bremen-Oslebshausen; 18 hit Hamburg-Ebano oil refinery and 5 hit targets of opportunity; 7 B-17s are lost, 2 damaged beyond repair and 284 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 10 WIA and 70 MIA.

    2. Of 488 B-24s, 168 hit Hamburg, 107 bomb Bremerhaven, 58 attack the Watten V-weapon sites, France, 54 hit Brunsbuttel, 45 hit Stade Airfield, 28 hit Wesermunde, 13 hit Husum Airfield, 9 hit Nordenham, 8 hit Heligoland Airfield, 5 hit targets of opportunity and 1 hits Wrist marshalling yard; 4 B-24s are lost and 53 damaged; 8 airmen are WIA and 39 MIA.
    Escort is provided by 198 P-38s, 172 P-47s and 215 P-51s; 1 P-38 is damaged beyond repair; no losses or claims.

    Other VIII Fighter Command missions in France are:

    1. 94 of 98 P-38s and 82 of 87 P-47s attack railroad bridges in the St Quentin area without loss.

    2. 47 P-51s make a sweep of the Dol de Bretagne area; 3 P-51s are lost (pilots are MIA). Mission 422: 9 B-24s are dispatched on CARPETBAGGER missions in France; 1 B-24 hits a tree at the drop zone.

    One would think this daily mission archaeology would be easier but it's not, so it looks like we are looking for 7 Forts and 4 Liberator crews; not all targeting Hamburg.

    Forts lost this day per Osborne:
    42-97068 Del Cheyenne 24/1/44; Gr Island 9/2/44; Presque Is 21/2/44; Ass 336BS/95BG [ET-H] Horham 26/2/44; (41m) MIA Hannover 18/6/44 w/John Bullard, cp-Bill Moore, n-Bill Holmes, b-Darrell Stevens, ettg-Everett Casselman, ro-Pierre Bordelon, btg-Phil Reed, wg-J. Gioiosa, wg-Austin Herten, tg-Lorenzo Jarrett (10KIA); cr North Sea, about 25 miles NW of Texel Is, Hol. MACR 5954.
    42-97148 Del Cheyenne 3/2/44; Kearney 15/2/44; Grenier 25/2/44; Ass 711BS/447BG [IR-A] Rattlesden 7/3/44; MIA Hannover 18/6/44 w/Ken Schreiner, cp-Carroll Knutson, n-Cliff Kulenburg, b-Gene Richardson, ettg-John Hall, ro-Herb Ruggles, btg-Jacob Long, wg-George Wolters, wg-Leon Swift, tg-Jim Jones (10POW); flak, cr mountains nr Egestorf, 11 miles SW of Hannover, Ger.{as per German Air Force Comman records). MACR 5903.
    42-97626 Del Denver 10/1/44; 1SAG Langley 13/2/44; Presque Is 11/3/44; Ass 322BS/91BG [LG-M] Bassingbourn 27/4/44; 324BG; tran 601BS/398BG [3O-Q] Nuthampstead 6/44; MIA Hamburg 18/6/44 w/Ralph Halter, n-Capt Harry Kravif, ettg-Clint Loveland, ro-Ed Goesel, Maj John Weibel (398BG Dep. CO as misson lead pilot), Lt Bob Parsons {R.R. of 91BG} tg-John Burns (7KIA); cp-Dick Sherman, Ex n-Bob Bunning {Ex nav}, b-Art Harris, tg-John Burns (3POW); {398BG crew}; flak set #1 ablaze & wing came off, cr Fleestedt, SE of Harburg, Ger; MACR 5996.
    42-97647 Del Denver 17/1/44; 1SAG Langley 27/2/44; Grenier 1/4/44; Ass 482BG Alconbury 4/44; tran 366BS/305BG [KY-A] Chelveston 16/5/44; MIA Hamburg 18/6/44 w/Col Ernest Lawson (C.O.), cp-Capt Homer Claymore, n-Capt Gene Mack, ex/n-Capt Dave Dunagin, m/op-Lt Dick Bushnell, ettg-Martin Glassman, ro-Littleton Taylor, wg-Bill Georske, wg-Roger Lord, tg-Lt Doug McLeod (10KIA); b-Steve Wurtz (POW); direct flak hit knocked off tail, cr Deutche Werft Factory, Norderel Strasse, Hamburg, Ger; MACR 5939.
    42-102391 Del Cheyenne 27/2/44; Gt Falls 2/3/44; Hunter 15/3/44; Grenier 9/4/44; Ass 601BS/398BG [3O-B] Nuthampstead 26/4/44; (18m) MIA Hamburg 18/6/44 w/Willard Hadjes, cp-Homer Kuck, n-Dick Howell, b-John Hiller, ettg-Bob Gibb{wia}, ro-Joe Ferraioulo, btg-Floyd Jones, wg-John Lindsay, tg-Frank Pescia (9POW); flak, f/l Bavendorf, ten miles E of Lueneburg, Ger; MACR 5998.
    42-102628 Del Cheyenne 19/3/44; Kearney 14/4/44; Grenier 28/4/44; Ass 526BS/379BG [LF-P] Kimbolton 13/5/44; MIA Hamburg 18/6/44 w/Steve King, n-Don Casey, b-Chas Henry, ettg-Ray Wheeler, btg-Jim Hagen (5POW); cp-Milton Miller, ro-Chas Rutishauser, wg-Zigfryd Czamecki, tg-Gene Miller (4KIA); flak set #3 alight, cr SW of Pinneberg, nr Hamburg; MACR 5989. G.I. JANE. (our friends from another thread).
    43-37714 Del Cheyenne 15/5/44; Kearney 24/5/44; Dow Fd 1/6/44; Ass 708BS/447BG [CQ-G] Rattlesden 3/6/44; MIA Hannover 18/6/44 w/Mark Golden (KIA); cp-Jim Waltonblack, n-Alvin Long, b-Jim McColgan, ettg-Homer Howes, ro-John Kauffman, btg-Fred Slater, wg-Rudi Giannoni, wg-Guido Valentine, tg-Ray Gaswint (9POW); flak KOd #2, then fire broke out in cockpit and ship exploded, cr Ohlum Gross Lobke area, 10 miles NE of Hildersheim, Ger. MACR 5902.

    Too bad Osborne did not study Liberators as well. the four B-24 lost this day will take a little more study, however I think Jaap is already on this trail with 42-51119 being one of the four.

    Update: Aviation Archeology to the rescue http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/MACRmonthly/44JunMACR.htm
    44-40159, 492BG, MACR 6767, Target: Lüneburg, Landed, interned Sweden https://www.fold3.com/image/29100949
    42-51119, 448BG, MACR 5929, Target: Faßberg A/F (45 miles south of Hamburg), downed Hamburg https://www.fold3.com/image/28643483
    Edit Update:
    41-28733, 458BG, MACR 5908, Target Faßberg A/F, downed: Neumünster to Kiel (36 miles north of Hamburg) 9 POW 1 KIA https://www.fold3.com/image/28639070 It appears S/Sgt Harold Jack Flaugher ASN 35791387 may have been killed by civilians, unknown also see http://www.458bg.com/crewnorthrop.htm S/Sgt. Flaugher: findagrave http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56358183
    44-40053, 492BG, MACR 8235, Target: Lüneburg, hit over Hamburg, ditched English Channel, 2 rescued, 1 KIA, 7 MIA https://www.fold3.com/image/28676010

    All the above related to finding who Rudolf Frahn helped this day. While Nazi Wilhelm Langeloh was riding around this area on his motorcycle killing at least one American airman; how many more did he find?
     

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  2. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Dan A.Wais was instantly killed in the aircraft when I read the MACR well.
    I hope we find the truth about this story. Maybe there is an intervieuw of
    Leland Beckman,Charles A.Yant or Robert R.Reed,like it was with Huebotter.
     
  3. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  4. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Active Member

    Great find.
    I have to look through their collections. If ever I manage it to the States this year I should have a look on it.
     
  5. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    What page of the MACR makes you believe Dan A.Wais was instantly killed in the aircraft??? All pages I have read indicate he bailed out with the rest of the crew. From the George Copeland interview we learn Dan Wais had a shrapnel wound to his leg (noted by Copeland in the interview as not being too serious). For me the exact cause of death of Dan A.Wais remains unknown.

    Great find on the George Copeland interview!!!
     
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  6. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Susanne, Doug Rapp invite's me to come over to the USA for a lecture at the 306th BG
    and talking about the Budberg crash.
    I think this is something for you. You have much more information then I have.
    Probably you can do this before or after your visit to the USA.

    Jaap
     
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  7. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Scott Iam sorry,your right,this is what I found about Dan Wais ;

    It is presumed that Sgt.Wais had parachute failure and was buried in Buxtehude Cemetery.
     
  8. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Jaap.
    Supporting document evidence of Sgt.Wais' death as a result of parachute failure is always welcome. Or other hearsay documented evidence. From what source are you drawing this parachute failure scenario related to Sgt.Wais?

    Update: No where in the MACR is there mention of one of the waist gunners having a shrapnel wound to the leg, or Wais' death due to chute failure.

    Not noticed earlier is the Lt. Epps statement noting the entire remaining crew was suffering from minor injuries inflicted by German civilian beatings. Suspect Sgt. Wais was not as fortunate with the crowd he encountered on the ground.
     

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  9. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Active Member

    Another case for ordering the IDPF...
    I do not get somebody on the phone at Hasenbusch 36.
     
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  10. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

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  12. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Active Member

    A very interesting find.
    I go on with the Frahms next week.
     
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  13. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

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  14. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    I believe and hope you agree this is not only an incomplete but also errant record for this veteran which furthermore includes the German initial misspelling of his name which in fact was Sgt. Dan A.Wais. Furthermore this link (ERRONEOUSLY) suggests a length of time for Sgt. Wais' POW imprisonment when in fact he was killed by German civilians soon after landing in his parachute.

    This is a good example where some genealogical web sites get a little information and then falsely extrapolate a history for an individual; in this case wrong!

    There might be more truths to Wais' death available in his IDPF as suggested by Susanne earlier. Frankly I am pleased with researchers like Susanne where the near year long wait to recover IDPF files and records from D.C. thru Ft Knox is just part of doing business. On that note it is a shame the United States government has cut so much funding to these archives along with personnel force reductions at same making the experience for historians hell.
     
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  15. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Scott,

    Your right about your suggestion,but every research is a puzzle. Till now we dont have the confirmation of Wais was killed
    by the Germans. I hope Susanne will get the IDPF of Wais. I remove post 34,so we having a clean research page.
    Thanks for your clear efforts in this case.

    Jaap
     
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  16. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Articles about Daniel WAIS
     

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  17. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Active Member

    Gentlemen,
    I can't go for the IDPF as early as Jan 1st, since I have overdone my requests...
    Dan Wais career is interesting. Like James M. Greene, the Pullach man, who brought me to all this research, he was a mechanic first and then switched to flying and gunnery.
     
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  18. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  19. Padu

    Padu New Member

    Hello,
    From "Verzeichnis der Kriegsgräber auf dem kirchlichen Friedhof in Buxtehude, Ferdinandstrasse":
    7. Wals, Dan A, Amerikaner, Erk.Nr. 35788495 T 43 - 43 A. Trauring gez.: M.V. to V. 9-19-40 k4 K.
    am 18.6.1944 in Buxtehude abgestürzt.

    I have no information about the circumstances of his death. But there must be an offical "REPORT OF BURIAL".
    of Dan A. Wais. The report of burial prepared in the office of the American Graves Registration Command.
    Normally the investigationteam examined intensive the body and found the cause of the death. I have such
    a report from Sgt. William Kane, 748th Squadron, 457th BG, who was lynched from civilians on 20th June 1944
    near Hamburg.

    Padu
     
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  20. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Active Member

    Could you give some details on this lynching, maybe in a separate topic?
     

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