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Rudolf Frahn saved Allied flier

Discussion in '448th BG - Seething' started by Airwar, Sep 16, 2016.

  1. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  2. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    Interesting documents about this action by Rudolf Frahn on 4 July 1944, wish my German was better. Probably not 42-51119 shot down 18 June 1944, MACR 5929 https://www.fold3.com/image/28643483 this crew 1 KIA, 9 POW where already in captivity.
     
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  3. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    This should probably not be posted in the 448BG forum without confirmation. Mediator please move to "all hands club", might not be a Heavy either.

    AAF Chronology 4 July 1944 http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100525-035.pdf not looking good for losses over Germany. Maybe the Rudolf Frahn incident was from an earlier capture and later POW transfer???


    7/4/44
    Eighth AF
    256 HBs attack 7 A/Fs N and W of Paris, plus several T/Os. Bad weather and mechanical failures
    cause over 350 others to abort. VIII FC flies 594 sorties during HB escort and strafing assignments
    against transportation tgts.
    7/4/44
    Ninth AF
    Although bad weather curtails bmr operations, 95 B-26’s and A-20’s bomb rail bridge at Oissel and
    strongly defended positions N of Anneville-sur-Mer, using Pathfinder technique. More than 900 ftrs
    strafe and bomb numerous tgts in France including troop concentrations, gun positions, rail lines,
    M/Ys, tunnel, radio station, bridges, highways, and a cmd post. Ftrs also fly escort and cover beach
    and assault areas.
    7/4/44
    Twelfth AF
    Weather cancels LB and MB operations. FB operations are greatly reduced but attacks are made on
    bridges, rail lines, roads, and guns in and N of battle area as US Fifth Army elements clear parts of
    Rosignano, overrun Mount Vitalba and area to its E, and push into Casole d’Elsa.
    7/4/44
    Fifteenth AF
    250-plus B-17’s and B-24’s bomb bridge and railroad repair works at Pitesti and oil refinery at Brasov.
    350-plus ftrs escort HBs and carry out sweeps in tgt area. Claims of enemy ftrs destroyed total 17. 1
    ftr gp strafes 2 landing grounds and a troop train in Yugoslavia on return trip to base.
     
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  4. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Scott,

    Like Jim Peters said '' Where is that F......G Moderator. But now serious,

    The Pilot 2/Lt. Leland L. Beckman, CP 2/Lt. Charles A. Yant and the Engineer S/Sgt. Robert R. Reed baled out over
    Elmshorn and the aircraft crashed at 09.34hrs near Bokholt,18 miles NW of Hamburg. 1 KIA,9 POW.
    One of these men was helped by Rudolf Frahn I believe.
     
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  5. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  6. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    As noted in post #2 these men had already been captured 18 June 1944, one KIA see attached German report. How could Rudolf Frahn help any of them on 4 July 1944?
     

    Attached Files:

  7. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Scott I can't download that file here,I send it to you in private.
    On that file is mentioned June 18th 1944.
    The aircraft of Beckman was the only aircraft with three crewmembers who parachuted in Elmshorn
     
  8. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    This document is in fact the second offered in your first post. Like I mentioned earlier my German reading skills are poor to say the least. I have tried several OCR programs (Apps) to convert this into translatable text and the results have not been positive! Rudolf Frahn (who was age 67 in 1944 was probably old and wise enough not to be a Nazi) however taking up far too much time for me today ending in frustration. Maybe Susanne or one of our other German/English language masters will offer a suitable translation, with this document tying Rudolf Frahn with a member of the Beckman crew manning B-24H # 42-51119. Or even in fact a link tying Rudolf Frahn back to an act of helping a parachuting airmen on 18 June 1944. I hope someone can help Rudolf Frahn deserves credit for helping; putting his life on the line with the Nazis, question is where and when.
    [3] Rudolf Frahn p.3.jpg

    For me this leads to the question of what happened to Rudolf Frahn? Did the Nazis execute him for treason, or did he survive the war and the Nazis?
     
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    Airwar Well-Known Member

  10. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Well-Known Member

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  11. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Susanne I think the file above. I think the Frahm family will be surprised to see this files.
    Probably they having an photo from Rudolf Frahm ?

    I found his name on Fold3
     
  12. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Well-Known Member

    ok, I#ll translate it this evening.I will send the family an e-mail too.
     
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  13. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Well-Known Member

    Tried it on the phone, but nobady at home and no answering machine. It looks like that there is the possebility of another murder, Dan A. Wais.
    I have my limit for the IDPFs for the next 20 years, I guess.
     
  14. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Attached Files:

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  15. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  16. BMBazooka

    BMBazooka Well-Known Member

    Translation of the Document above - some words cannot be translated.
    To the Gestapo Kiel
    Station Itzehoe
    in Itzehoe


    Please find enclosed a report with statements of different witnesses concerning a man who showed an attitude which not bearable for a German („unworthy behaviour for a German man and citizen“).

    It is the owner of a tree nursery Rudolf Frahm born 18.2.1877 in Elmshorn, living in Elmshorn, Hasenbusch...

    As the report states a bomber crashed while his terror attack on June 18th 1944 in the area of the Police District, at the street from Elmshorn to Barmstedt. One of the downing air men landed in a meadow behind the street „Kaltenweide“. The locals peasants which were harmed heavily through the last air raid at August 3rd 1943 arrested the the flier and expressed their justified indignation by beating the flyer (the original is not easy to translate, but means they expressed their wrath and anger with their fists). Frahm joined the beating peasants and complained about their action: Beating a prisoner of war is a mean action and had not been a custom in the last war.

    In his advocacy for the enemy flier and especially using the word „mean“ he offended his countrymen in such a manner that he was lucky not to experience the same beating as the flier. The people are still angry and excited about Frahms behaviour.


    I would like you to consider any suitable political measures against Frahm.


    Captain of the Police Elmshorn...
     
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  17. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    So you are correct with this Rudolf Frahm action of rescuing a downed airmen from a "mob" dates to 18 June 1944. More study needed, I think this was a busy day over Hamburg with more aircraft than 42-51119 lost.
     
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  18. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  19. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Thanks Scott,time for you learning German and Dutch :p
     
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  20. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Dank u , Jaap .
    Duits en Nederlands zijn dicht , maar niet zo dichtbij . Het lezen en spreken Duits is niet hetzelfde als het berijden van een bycycle , ik blijf vallen ...;-)

    As noted 18 June 1944 was a busy day (from earlier noted source)
    6/18/44
    Eighth AF
    1,239 HBs operating in 4 forces attack oil industries at Oslebshausen, Hamburg, and Misburg, dock
    area and city of Hamburg, A/Fs at Stade and Hassum, and various tgts at Brunsbuttelkoog,
    Bremerhaven, Nordenham, and Helgoland, and V-weapon site at Watten. A total of 566 ftrs fly
    uneventful escort to the HB missions, all returning safely to base. 11 HBs are lost, 10 to AA fire and
    the other to unknown causes.
    6/18/44
    Ninth AF
    About 130 A-20’s and B-26’s bomb fuel dumps at Foret d’Andaine and Conches and M/Ys at Rennes
    and Meudon during the morning, and NOBALL tgts in the afternoon. Ftrs, in addition to escort duty,
    continue strafing and bombing rail lines, troop concentrations, and highway traffic in Cherbourg
    Peninsula.
    6/18/44
    Twelfth AF
    Bad weather grounds MBs and LBs. FBs and ftrs are restricted to patrols, mainly over Piombino area
    and island of Elba, during which several gun positions, boats, and barges are hit.

    Odd the Fifteenth AF is not noted here; will look into that. Update: Looks like bad weather grounded the 15th AF this day.

    However we "collectively" are back in the realm of this lose http://www.forum.armyairforces.com/...hamburg-appen-etz-18-june-1944.814/#post-5191 and perhaps other incidents in this thread http://www.forum.armyairforces.com/threads/war-crimes-the-gross-gerau-incident.746/page-5#post-5185
     
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