LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON MASSIMO POCKEY

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  1. S.Pockey

    S.Pockey New Member

    My father was Massimo Pockey and he was a Radio Operator on a B-24 in the 789th Bomb Squadron. He served in England from February '45 through June '45. I am interest to find out what his plane was as well as who his crew was.
     
  2. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the AAF forum Stephen.
    Will start off with this to eliminate places for members to look for plane and crew. Have you been in contact with the 467BG http://www.467bg.com/ via this email address 467bg@467bg.com ?

    Have you looked thru these photos http://www.467bg.com/crews.html many of the crewmen are unnamed. Do you have a photo of your father in uniform that you could post here?

    S/Sgt Massimo J Pockey, ASN: 13146489 http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/156148 (no aircraft or crew noted), as you know, noted your data update.
    Postwar reenlistment https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...&tf=F&q=13146489&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=777345
    Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=132225164 (DOD should be 8 June 1983)
    Pennsylvania, Veteran Compensation Application (attached)
    Massimo J Pockey, Veteran Comp. App..jpg
     
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  3. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Four articles about your father.

    Jaap
     

    Attached Files:

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  4. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Also mentioned as ''Mac'' Pockey
     
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  5. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    This link: http://www.467bg-research.com/detail.php?sessionLayout=Crews&cCrewNumber=006-R789

    says he was on the Kinsley crew. The date, 29 May 45, is claimed to be the date assigned which does not quite agree with your information, so.... perhaps a date mix-up somewhere.
    (VE day was 8 May 45. The last 8th AF heavy bomber mission was 25 April 45.)

    Pilot Kinsley, Kenneth L O-2058208 Denver 9, Colorado 29 May 45
    Co Pilot Gose, Robert O O-2061844 Upton, Wyoming 29 May 45
    Navigator Haight, Frank W O-2074404 Spokane, Washington 29 May 45
    Bombardier Chwastyk, Adolph M O-2065247 Skillman, New Jersey 29 May 45
    Engineer Misialko, Edward M 36754698 Chicago 30, Illinois 29 May 45
    Radio Operator Pockey, Massimo K 13146489 Roulette, Pennsylvania 29 May 45
    Gunner Masters, Robert R 35751740 Marietta, Ohio 29 May 45
    Gunner Dudley, Frank O 34988593 Wet Point, Mississippi 29 May 45
    Gunner Sandercook, Benjamin W 37707544 Hayden, Colorado 29 May 45
    Gunner Zimbler, Irving D 12225663 Bronx, New York 29 May 45


    There may be more information on the website.
     
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  6. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Further information is available on the site Rolland noted. Site is slow to load and quirky in it's layout but there are links to mission dates and what crews flew as well as a personnel section. For the missions you select a date then select the Squadron in a tiny tab at the bottom. Similar with the personnel section see the tiny tabs at the bottom of the page. Unfortunately not much on your father and his crew. His personnel page shows only one mission, June 10th on 42-95154, named "100 Proof"

    http://www.467bg-research.com/detail.php?sessionLayout=Personnel&cFullName=Pockey, Massimo K

    http://www.467bg-research.com/results.php?Layout=Missions

    Photo of "100 Proof" with unnamed crew clipped from this page:
    http://www.467bg-research.com/detail.php?cSerialNumber=42-95154

    A patch or a piece of armor plate obscures most of the name.


    100 proof.jpg
     
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  7. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

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  8. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Appears that this crew, and possibly this aircraft, did not arrive on station until 29 May 1945 when the air war in Europe was essentially over. Note the a/c has no mission markers and appears to be almost brand new. Name might have been added stateside and the armor plate added when arrived on station??

    And the June 10th 'mission' was actually the ferry back to the ZI. Crew and passenger list attached.


    rzi.jpg
     
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  9. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    There may well be some data missing from this web site record. According to the Veteran Compensation Application (post #2, edited now to page insertion) S/Sgt Pockey was deployed from 3 February 1945 to 16 June 1945. The return to ZI on 10 June 45 (recorded above) is likely correct, ZI return complete 16 June 45.
     
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  10. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

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  11. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Hal,

    Yes, it seems omissions are likely. I posted your 2nd 467BG link above in post #2 along with their contact email. Hopefully someone is home there to help answer Stephen's questions.

    Here is the "100 Proof" photo you posted earlier but here including the AAF photo lab developers identification. This photo appears to have been taken 16 August 1944. Also, below the pilots window on the armored plate are those mission markers, they are small but I count 11 if that is what they are.

    100Proof_1.jpg
     
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  12. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    It still seems unclear to me where the picture above was taken, at Rackheath or still here in ZI. In searching for other 467th BG images they only serve to confuse at least me. First, the mission marks for this group do appear to be applied to the port side armored plate (example attached) but they are generally larger markings. The second photo is a late war mission by the 467BG (showing 789 Squadron planes) to the marshalling yards at Lundshut, Germany on 16 April 1945. Note the LARGE nose serial number identification numbers, unknown when this ID method was initiated.

    Mission marker example, note the armored plate covered their early art too.
    467BG_Harringtons_Crew.jpg
    Source http://www.467bg.com/harringtonscrew.html

    Large Nose ID number example
    467BG_16April45_Landshut_Germany.jpg
    Source https://www.fold3.com/image/50822692
     
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  13. B-24 Best Web

    B-24 Best Web Member

    Thanks for the "Heads-Up", Scott.
    Added to BBW: http://www.b24bestweb.com/100proof.htm upload_2017-5-3_11-10-58.png
     
  14. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Daniel for this addition and research aid by Tom Britten. For others, follow Daniel's BBW link. It would appear Tom has the Individual Aircraft Record Card (IARC) for this Liberator, which served in three of the 467BG squadrons at various points in time.
    Assignments per Tom:
    790 Q2 I-
    791 4Z G+
    789 6A -E
     
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  15. S.Pockey

    S.Pockey New Member

    To everyone that has replied to my request so far, 25Kingman49, B-24 Best Web, Lucky Partners, RSwank, and Air War, I want to say thank you for all your help. You are getting me closer than I have ever been to identifying more information about my Dad's war history. This means so much to me! I think the crew that is pictured in the Photo of '100 Proof' is from a different period of the planes history. I do not see my father in that photo. I am trying to find an old photo of him and I will post it when I do. Again, I can't thank you all enough! We must never forget our servicemen, past and present!
     
  16. S.Pockey

    S.Pockey New Member

    I came across my father's flight log and I believe it was for his flight home. It appears like he was going from Gander to Bradley on June 14, 1945. Is the box labeled A/C the aircraft number? I am attaching a scanned copy of it. DadsFlightLogWWII.jpg
     
  17. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Supposed to be but in this case doubt it. Aircraft serial number would start with a 2 digit number from 42 to 44, a dash, then an additional series of numbers maybe 4 to 6 additional digits. An abbreviated form would usually be the last 3 digits of the full serial number. Maybe it's a manifest number. Notice down in the frequency column the 5154 appears again.
     
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  18. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Yes, I think the A/C box says "5154 -B24 H"

    "100 Proof"was a B-24 H, serial number 42-95154.

    I think in the other references, he is indicating the plane "5154" was continuing the flight to the next airfields, i.e. the message went to the airfield named in the "TO" column and was "FROM" was his plane (5154.)

    I think he is also listing the times with a Z at the end, for ZULU.

    ( I have seen reports that used the last four digits of a serial number instead of just the last 3, so I don't think it was that uncommon. )
     
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  19. S.Pockey

    S.Pockey New Member

    I also remember my father telling me stories of some missions he flew on and that they targeted U-Boat pens; I think he used to call them pig-pens. I do think the information about the plane '100 Proof' may be incomplete.
     
  20. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Ah! I stand corrected. Thanks Rolland, you are correct. Guess the number in the first row that looks like 5254 is just a scribbled 5154. Well done.

    Usually when I've seen 4 digit tail numbers it was because there was more than one ship with the same last three digits.
     
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