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Looking for info on my uncle

Discussion in '389th BG - Hethel' started by Brenda Douglas, Nov 8, 2015.

  1. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    My uncle, Robert B Dalton of Mapleton, Kansas was a nose gunner on a plane piloted by Charles Getty, called Galloping Katie. I know very little of his story as he passed away in 1981, other than this little bit that my father, who is now 81 could recall. Uncle "Bob" was 12 years older than my dad, and my dad said he didn't talk very much about his experiences, but he was always looking through his "Blue Book." I haven't had much luck locating any military records for him as they were destroyed in a fire.
     
  2. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Brenda,

    Haven't been able to find much useful information on the 389th BG on the internet. They once had two web sites but it appears both have shut down. The "Blue Book" you mentioned was the official 1946 Group history, you can download an excellent PDF copy from the Bangor Maine Public Library at no cost. Click on the link below to download. There are a lot of crew photos in this book, with patience, and maybe a magnifying glass, your father might be able to recognize his brother. Unfortunately none of the pictures (beyond the Officer pages) provide identification. There is a listing of names and addresses in the back of the book. His Pilot, Capt. Charles R. Getty, is listed at an address in Butler, New Jersey. Perhaps a little searching on the Internet might turn up information about him. There is a Capt. Charles R. Getty listed here who died in 2011, would need to dig further to find if this is the same person. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=100116839

    Have found conflicting information regarding Galloping Katie. One source calls her Gallopin' Katie and shows her as B-24 serial number 42-50367 with the 389th BG, 564th Squadron. The web site B-24BestWeb.com lists Galloping Katie and Galloping Katie II with different serial numbers and with a different Squadron of the 389th BG. Link for that below too.

    Hal

    http://digicom.bpl.lib.me.us/ww_reg_his/129/

    http://www.b24bestweb.com/Pics-G-GAA-GAL.htm
     
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  3. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    The old websites may have been captured on the internet archives, at least one of them is there in part.
    One of the original sites was www.389thbg.net, which no longer exists, but if you copy paste this next line (between the quotes), you should get to the archives capture page. Click on a year (at the top) then on the capture date on the calendar that appears. It looks like the site vanished by 2015, as the last capture pages are invalid, so go to 2014 or earlier.

    "https://web.archive.org/web/20110701000000*/http://www.389thbg.net"

    They do have an entire interview with Charles R Getty. Once you get to the archived page for one of the captures above, click on "links" (toward the bottom of the page) and then click on the interview with Getty (the "box" with the link is the 6th one down in the left hand column).

    Hal, if you know the other original website address. we may be able to find it archived also.


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  4. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    This link shows a second site regarding the 389th.
    http://www.heritageleague.org/links.htm

    That link also comes up empty.
    http://www.389thbombgroup.com/

    A "whois" search on that domain shows it is for sale for $980. Can't tell if it was ever active. Could be one of those deals where someone created the domain solely with the intention of selling it to make a buck.
     
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  5. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Ok, in the archives it would be:

    "https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.389thbombgroup.com/"

    Looks like there was something captured in Aug 2010 but maybe quite incomplete. I am not sure on the later captures, some of the links seem to freeze at the moment. (It may be a temporary Archives problem).

    Depending on how the websites are designed can make them easier or harder to capture individual pages.
    It may be these archives are relatively worthless, but.... leaving no stone unturned.
     
  6. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

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  7. j.peters140

    j.peters140 Active Member

    Brenda....The story about the "Records Destroyed in the Fire" is only PARTIALLY TRUE" as some of the records.....(lthough burned along the edges).... ARE available...according to some reports....you might attempt to again obtain the records.

    Jim :)
     
  8. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Great find, Rolland. On page 35 he states that it was he who named Galloping Katie after his wife. After that a/c was shot down with another crew he named a second a/c Galloping Katie II. So the pictures on B24bestweb are planes Dalton would have flown on. Brenda you should download this, haven't found any mention of your uncle yet but overall it gives a good background of life before the war and experiences of this crew during the war.
     
  9. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Links to pages at the American Air Museum for Pilot Charles Getty, the 389th BG, and the 566th Squadron. Numerous photos in the Group and Squadron pages, navigating the filmstrips is more difficult than it needs to be, click show caption then click hide caption before you can move on to the next photo, but there are some interesting photos posted. Still nothing specific to your uncle.

    http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/29085

    http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/333

    http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/1248
     
  10. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    Thank you so much! No mention of my uncle, but very interesting reading and it confirmed that they actually had 2 planes because the first was shot down with another crew using it.
     
  11. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    Thanks! Will look through when I have some time. It's kind of like putting a puzzle together! He never married and his things went to my aunt when he died, and from there I'm really not sure where things ended up.
     
  12. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    I just read through it. Very interesting. No mention of my uncle, though. I had seen both planes on the B24bestweb, and now I know the connection. Thanks for the info!
     
  13. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    Good to know! Sounds like a summer vacation project for this teacher! Thanks for the suggestion.
     
  14. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    Thanks for the info and the links!
     
  15. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

  16. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    Good to know, thanks for the help. Will take a look.
    Thanks for the help! I had previously downloaded the Blue Book and my dad thought he could identify my uncle in one of the pictures but wasn't 100% sure. I will look at these. Much appreciated.
     
  17. Brenda Douglas

    Brenda Douglas New Member

    I now have my uncle's service #. What can I find out with that?
     
  18. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Well, this is a rather old thread and the O.P. Brenda has not been back since her last post. It appears her uncle is Robert Barton Dalton who attained the rank of S/Sgt. during WWII. ASN: 37233768, inducted 21 October 1942, see http://www.kshs.org/kmi/kmi_wwiiselectives/view/219084 source via ancestry.com [Not found in the NARA online enlistment database]. No S/Sgt Dalton photos found via ancestry.com. Dalton family tree life story synopsis for Robert:
    "When Robert Barton Dalton was born on July 18, 1922, in Mapleton, Kansas, his father, Thomas, was 34 and his mother, Ruth, was 22. He had three brothers and one sister. He died on November 17, 1981, in Fort Scott, Kansas, at the age of 59, and was buried in Kansas."

    S/Sgt Robert B Dalton findagrave page here https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=551467

    Regarding the query about his "known ASN" and what could be learned; not much if his records were destroyed in the 1973 fire at the St Louis National Personnel Records Center (NPRC).

    Larger image of S/Sgt Dalton's headstone than found on findagrave attached.
     

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