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Discussion in 'All Hands Club & Canteen Discussion Area' started by Pete, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. Pete

    Pete New Member

    Hello all. My name is Pete. Air Force Vet from 73. Found this forum while searching for information on my uncle. I found while doing some family research that I had a uncle , S/SGT Irvin F Catron who served with the 47th AAF Bomb group. He is listed as KIA on oct 16 1943. I'd like to find what he did, job/duties and how and where he was killed. I found a web site for the 47th bombardment group reunion that was in 2008 but don't have any link to send any request. Is there anyway to find out it there are still any survivors. Any help to steer me in the right direction to find out anything about him would be greatly appreciated since what family I have left doesn't know of him. Thanks.
     
  2. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Here is his headstone application.

    A little info from his enlistment record: https://www.fold3.com/page/88668692_irvin_f_catron/photos/

    The war correspondent Ernie Pyle has a chapter in his book "Brave Men" about the 47th BG. (Chapter 14 Light Bombers). Ernie was with the 47th around the time of the loss. It might give you some background on what the group was doing.

    No MACR listed Catron on the 47th BG page: http://www.47thbombgroup.org/macr.html
    Perhaps the MACR is missing, or perhaps none was filed if he died in a plane that returned.

    I know another man who died that day was Sgt. Barry W Sendel and he does not show in a MACR either.
     
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  3. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    NARA enlistment record https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=35127364&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=5490955

    SATURDAY, 16 OCTOBER 1943
    MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Twelfth Air Force): P-38's bomb a vessel
    in Leukas Channel off the W coast of Greece. In Italy, XII Bomber Command
    B-25's bomb the marshalling yard and rail lines, railroad tunnel, highway
    underpass, warehouses, industrial buildings, and gas works in or near Bologna;
    XII Air Support Command and other NATAF elements provide close support to the
    US Fifth and British Eighth Armies; fighters and light and medium bombers hit
    communications centers of Venafro, Vairano, Sparanise, Latina, Alife, and the
    town of Pietravairano; roads, railroads, and junctions in the areas SE of Rome
    to the bomb line, between Vasto and Pescara, and at Mondragone; gun positions,
    trucks, and military concentrations near Vinchiaturo, Boiano, and Termoli;
    landing ground of Cisterna di Latina; and several other targets in the area
    between Rome and Ancona.
    Source http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/wwii/usaf/html/Oct.43.html
     
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  4. Pete

    Pete New Member

    I should have noted I found his headstone app and found his grave. Was close to my mom and I never knew. But the 2nd piece I don't have. Very interesting. Thanks
     
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  6. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    two articles
     

    Attached Files:

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  8. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

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  9. Pete

    Pete New Member

    Thanks for that RSwank. I will get ahold of the paper. Thanks everyone . Been helpful. I know my chance of finding out what, how is very slim but I already know more than I did.
     
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  10. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Pete, I think the next step might be to try and get some info from AFHRA.

    On this link: http://airforcehistoryindex.org/ nothing seems to be in the right time period if you search on 0047 BOMB GROUP, but if you search for 0084 BOMB SQUADRON you get 54 hits, 3 of which might be useful.

    http://airforcehistoryindex.org/search.php?q=0084+BOMB+SQUADRON

    3 items of interest are:
    http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/044/648.xml

    http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/044/647.xml

    http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/044/606.xml

    All three of these may be on the same CD.

    The address to order the documents/cd is: AFHRA.NEWS@US.AF.MIL

    as is shown on this page: http://www.afhra.af.mil/Archival-Requests/


    The Instructions on how to order are here, but they show the wrong (old) ordering address.

    http://airforcehistoryindex.org/obtain.html


    The documents may be on a single CD which will cost $30.


    AFHRA researchers are most helpful if you explain exactly what you are after. (They may even just email you a few relevant pages and you can avoid ordering the CD. )
     
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  11. Pete

    Pete New Member

    Would anyone know if or how to find out if any members of the 47th bomb group are still alive?
     
  12. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

  13. Pete

    Pete New Member

    No luck. Got a reply back that mail was undeliverable. I'll keep looking.
     
  14. Tex Longhorn

    Tex Longhorn New Member

    See if he has an Individual Deceased Personnel File.

    I think this is the correct address below. armyairforces had a research section, but Ido not think it has been added back.

    Requests for Individual Deceased Personnel files (IDPFs):


    This Command is the records custodian for IDPF’s from WWII through current conflicts. Please submit requests to: usarmy.knox.hrc.mbx.foia@mail.mil or

    Department of the Army
    US Army Human Resources Command
    ATTN: AHRC-FOIA
    1600 Spearhead Division Avenue, Department 107
    Fort Knox KY 40122-5743
     
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  15. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Concur. Please follow the FOIA stipulation in your email request [The requester should cite the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and provide when known full name of the individual, service number, and date of death ], also see http://www.forum.armyairforces.com/pages/research/ which offers the same direction for these IDPF requests.
     
  16. Tex Longhorn

    Tex Longhorn New Member

    There is the research section. Hidden in plain sight. I thought my new progressive lenses were supposed to help. :) Screen Shot 2017-09-05 at 08.20.30.png
     

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