Fliegermorde in Belgium

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  1. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  2. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Jaap for sharing this memorial link; Memorial coordinates 49°58'30.3"N 4°13'05.3"E or 49.975094, 4.218147
    Macquenoise, Belgium memorial for 42-31499 'Susan Ruth' (streetview) 49.975267, 4.218333.jpg

    30 Page MACR 2493 for B-17G-20-BO-42-31499, “Susan Ruth”,369BS, 306BG; MIA Frankfurt 8 February 1944 https://www.fold3.com/image/28606260 starts here for those with fold3 access.

    AAM pages http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/5600 (crew member photos below) & http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/19150

    42-31499, “Susan Ruth” Crew
    1st Lt Howard J Snyder, O-742461 (P), (California) Evaded E&E 1568 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/5556198 Findagrave 6 Aug 1915 - 25 Apr 2007 https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=175162641
    2004 Interview with Howard Snyder, pilot of the B-17 Susan Ruth. Also see https://www.amazon.com/SHOT-DOWN-story-Howard-Snyder/dp/0986076007 (with a look inside)

    Interview with Steve Snyder concerning his fathers experience and the book he wrote on this topic.


    2nd Lt George W Eike, O-748164 (CP) (New York) KIA/Executed by Nazis 22 April 44 serving with the Belgium Resistance. Original enlistment ASN: 12071753, 9 Mar 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...&tf=F&q=12071753&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=536277 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=49177818

    2nd Lt Robert J Benninger, O-685369 (N) (Pennsylvania) KIA/Executed by Nazis 22 April 44 serving with the Belgium Resistance. Original enlistment ASN: 13086177, 4 Dec 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...&tf=F&q=13086177&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=735962 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=109091945

    2nd Lt Richard L Daniels, O-679378 (B) (Ohio) POW/RTD/EUS. Original enlistment ASN: 12029522, 3 Oct 41 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...&tf=F&q=12029522&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=499856 POW https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=466&mtch=1&tf=F&q=O&679378&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=57340 Findagrave (likely) https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=111994000

    T/Sgt Roy K Holbert, 34036012 (ETTG) (North Carolina) POW/RTD/EUS. Enlistment 8 Aug 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=34036012&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=4481785 POW https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...6&tf=F&q=34036012&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=76150 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=165420244

    T/Sgt Ross L Kahler, 33324107 (RO) (Pennsylvania) KIA/Crashed with ship. Enlistment 24 July 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=33324107&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=3803163 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=130489862

    Sgt Louis J Colwart, 18151729 (BTG) (Louisiana) KIA/Crashed with ship. Enlistment 25 Nov 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=18151729&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=1596176 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56357632

    Sgt John Pindroch, 15329492 (RWG) (Ohio) KIA/ Executed by Nazis 22 April 44 serving with the Belgium Resistance. Enlistment 21 Oct 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=15329492&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=1148043 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56302749

    T/Sgt Joseph J Musial, 13025549 (LWG) (New Jersey) (foot amputated) POW/RTD/EUS. Enlistment 3 April 41 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...&tf=F&q=13025549&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=682879 POW https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...6&tf=F&q=13025549&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=97732 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=123997815

    S/Sgt William O Slenker, 16101156 (TG) (Illinois) Evaded. Enlistment 25 Aug 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=16101156&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=1262295 E&E 1883https://catalog.archives.gov/id/5556513 Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=127800876

    Some of the findagrave pages could use some help; will add some content later.

    Snyder Crew, 42-31499.jpg
    Source http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/17044
    Howard Snyder (B-17 Susan Ruth) Crew Picture Back row: Flight Engineer/Top Turret gunner Roy Holbert, Ball Turret Gunner Louis Colwart, Radio Operator Ross Kahler, Right Waist Gunner John Pindroch, Left Waist Gunner Joe Musial, Tail Gunner William Slenker Front Row: First Pilot, Howard Snyder, Co-Pilot George Eike, Navigator Robert Benninger, Bombardier Richard Daniels

    Probably not a popular analysis but 2nd Lt's George W Eike, Robert J Benninger and Sgt Pindroch were most likely captured out of uniform without dog tags. Unclear if they would have had POW status, and the protection that might have offered. I believe this was a known risk by airmen evading and in turn working with the resistance in that process. If captured execution was the likely outcome at the hands of the Nazis.

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    Source https://www.facebook.com/ShotDownB1...0557953441405/637718446392019/?type=3&theater
    "On April 22, 1944, 8 U. S. airmen (including 3 members of the Susan Ruth Crew) and two young Belgian men were captured, interrogated, and then murdered by the Germans in the Champagne Woods south of Chimay, Belgium.

    George Eike, co-pilot, 306th Bomb Group B-17 Susan Ruth
    Robert Benninger, navigator, 306th Bomb Group B-17 Susan Ruth
    John Pindroch, waist gunner, 306th Bomb Group B-17 Susan Ruth...
    Charles Nichols, radio operator, 306th Bomb Group B-17 Rationed Passion
    John Gemborski, tail gunner, 306th Bomb Group B-17 Rationed Passion
    Orian Owens, flight engineer, 306th Bomb Group B-17 Rationed Passion
    Billy Huish, navigator, 91st Bomb Group B-17 Skunkface
    Vincent Reese, waist gunner, 303rd Bomb Group B-17 Women's Home Companion
    Joseph Simon, Belgian patriot
    Henri Fontaine, Belgian patriot

    The attached picture is the memorial in their memory dedicated in 1999 at St. Remy, Belgium.

    Their sacrifice must never be forgotten.

    It is our duty to remember."
     
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  3. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Thanks Scott for your good search.

    Jaap
     
  4. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    Can you or any one you know identify the the coordinates of this Massacre of Saint Rémy memorial or (Chimay, Belgium). pictured above on the rock. Having a rather difficult time finding anyone willing to offer these coordinates including me searching the streets of Saint Rémy via GEarth street view. Hope someone can help; here is the overview. Offering here http://stevesnyderauthor.com/WWII/historical/page/12/ but no coordinates for the Massacre Memorial location.
    Chimay; 8 AAF airmen, 2 Belgium patriots executed 22 Apl 44.jpg

    Also, while we are at it is there a bilingual or not guide to Belgium and Dutch "Roadside WW II Memorials" - with memorial site coordinates???

    Thanks,
    Scott
     
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  5. Raphaël

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  7. 25Kingman49

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    Thank you, Raphaël for your reply. Unfortunately the memorial located at the Aerodrome of Cerfontaine 50° 9′ 08.99″ N, 4° 23′ 40.45″ E is not the Saint-Remy memorial that is being asked about. The back ground and memorials are obviously different. So, the search for the correct coordinates of the Saint-Remy Memorial continues.

    Thank you, Jaap. Another good image of the Saint-Remy Memorial but where is it located? Obviously a small valley in the background.
    Aerodrome of Cerfontaine Memorial
    Aerodrome Cerfontaine memorial.jpg
    Saint-Remy Memorial
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    Saint-Remy memorial.jpg
     
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  8. Airwar

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  10. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Jaap. I would not have found this on my own! Coordinates of the Memorial to Massacre of Saint Rémy 50° 01′ 57.92″ N, 4° 16′ 55.99″ E or 50.032269, 4.282408.

    The Cerfontaine Memorial noted earlier by Raphaël is actually for the Bill Osborn Crew:
    42-39795 Del Long Beach 2/9/43; ass 359BS/303BG [PU-E] Molesworth 18/10/43; {7m} MIA Ludwigshafen 30/12/43 w/Bill Osborn, cp-Jack Jernigan, n-Ed Cobb, ro-George Daniel, wg-Earl Wolfe, wg-Vincent Reese{killed 22/4/44 in escape attempt} (6POW); btg-Lyle Fitzgerald, tg-Larry Evans (2KIA), b-Nelson Campbell, ettg-Bill Wolff (2EVD); e/a, c/l Froid Chapelle, 18 miles S of Charleroi, Bel. MACR 1674. LADIES (WOMEN’S) HOME COMPANION. Edit: More data Osborn Crew http://www.303rdbg.com/360osborn.html

    Black & white images and memorial content here https://books.google.com/books?id=Gs3Y6qw4OsIC&lpg=PA109&ots=I091Ggesel&dq=THE MASSACRE OF SAINT RÉMY&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=THE MASSACRE OF SAINT RÉMY&f=false Edit: Appears to be a good resource regarding evasion thru Holland, Belgium and France; ordered a used copy via Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Downed-Allied-Airmen-Evasion-Capture/dp/0786422165

    Saint Rémy Memorial, here viewed looking northwest from Rue Ies Haies (as close as you get with Google street view)
    Memorial to the Massacre of Saint Rémy.jpg
    Overview Massacre of Saint Rémy area.
    Overview Saint Rémy Memorial area.jpg

    Thank you,
    Scott
     
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  11. Raphaël

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    Oh , yes sorry Scott for the bad information to the memorial of St Remy .
    Bravo to Jaap to have discovered the good memorial .
     
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  12. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Thanks Raphael en Scott Iam very glad your back. I made a call with that museum that we can't mis you
    so your volunteer stage was over :p

    Jaap
     
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  13. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Raphaël for your contribution regarding the Cerfontaine Memorial. This also is another part of the 22 April 1944 Saint Rémy Massacre History. Sgt Vincent J Reese, 33468736 (RO), (Pennsylvania), enlisted 16 Nov 42 https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=33468736&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=3945808 was also a victim murdered by the Nazis that day. Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55903845 36 page MACR 1674, for 42-39795 https://www.fold3.com/image/28705888

    Scott
     
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