F/O Clayton E. CHILD B-17G serial 42-102645

Discussion in '305th BG - Chelveston' started by redcap50, Mar 8, 2016.

  1. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Hello Forum,
    I'm looking for a picture of the B-17 G and the Child crew: the crashdate was : August 9th, 1944
    Many thanks,

    redcap50
     
  2. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    B-17G # 42-102645, 305th BG/ 365th BS. MACR 8067
     
  3. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Sgt Jerry Robert McEldowney
     

    Attached Files:

  4. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Hello Airwar:
    Thanks for your answer........ but I allready have the full MACR 8067
    I'm vainly looking for pictures of the B17G 42-102645 and the crewmembers
    I already contacted Chelveston (station 105) AND family members of certain crewmembers in the USA, without succes!!

    ANY help is very much appreciated
    Grtz
    redcap50
     
  5. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Redcap, I hope other members can find more photos of this B-17. On the web is nothing to find.

    Jaap
     
  6. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Thank you very much Jaap
    with kind regards
    redcap50
     
  7. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Hi All,
    In order to search by 'Nose Art', I'm hoping to find the nickname of # 42-102645
    ANY help is welcome!!

    Regards,
    redcap50:)
     
  8. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

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    Airwar Well-Known Member

  10. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Hello Jaap,
    Thanks again for your answer:
    I allready had contact with Mr Edouard Renière (Evasion Comète) and I do have the pictures of the 4 POW
    Yesterday, I was contacted by Mrs Lucy Maxwell of IWM : she is interested to know if # 42-102645 had a Nickname / NoseArt, in order to continue our research for a photo of the Fortress.
    I'm doing this research for Mr Chris VANDAELE ( Flemish Veteran Group in BRAKEL - BE).
    I'm in contact with the CHILD and the LUCUS family: they both promised looking in their archives .
    Apparently, no picture has been found, until now!!

    Cheers,
    redcap50
     
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  11. Chad

    Chad New Member

    I am the grandson of Clayton Child the Pilot of the B17 you are seeking pictures of, I would love to get any info you have found on the crew and plane.
     
  12. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

  13. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    No note of aircraft "name" in Osborne's Fort Log.
    42-102645 Del Cheyenne 22/3/44; Kearney 14/4/44; Grenier 29/4/44; Ass 365BS/305BG Chelveston 14/5/44; MIA Karlsruhe 9/8/44 w/Clayton Child (POW), Ken French, Henry Colt, Harry Kilmer, Andy Kuhn (4EVD); John Dubinskas, John Waldren, Grady Lucas, Jerry McEldowney (4KIA); e/a, cr Segelsen, Ger?; MACR 8067.

    F/O Clayton E. Child, POW Stalag 7A near Moosburg, Germany https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=466&cat=WR26&rid=52695
    For Chad; the 45 page MACR 8067 for the loss of 42-102645 starts here on fold3 https://www.fold3.com/image/28679654 during December 2016 fold3 is offering this documents pages free to download, no charge with registration to the fold3 website. This is normally a premium document requiring a paid membership.

    S/Sgt. John B Dubinskas http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=112224201
    Sgt. John Rowe Waldren http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=149213563
    Sgt. Grady (NMI) Lucas, Jr. ASN: 38538989 (Richmond, CA) no findagrave page, died as a POW http://wwii-pows.mooseroots.com/l/138955/Grady-Lucas-Jr
    Sgt Jerry Robert "Jed" McEldowney http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56359713
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2016
  14. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Hi forum,
    concerning the fatal mission of Fortress # 42-102645 (August 9, 1944), I am still looking for the following information:
    - the full mission diagram off which she was part of
    - the exact composition of the original “CHILD crew for that specific mission: I have information that the original
    designated Navigator - a 1Lt, son of an unnamed colonel- was taken away by jeep minutes before boarding and replaced by 2Lt Henry COLT.
    Any information is wholeheartedly welcome

    Regards
    redcap50
     
  15. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    This is the obit of Henry F Colt, Jr.

    http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?pid=161534330

    The obit mentions a son, Henry III living in Belgrade ME. His address (and Sandra's) can be found via anywho.com.
    Also you can find the addresses of George H Colt in Whately, MA and Mark D Colt in Medway, MA. (I can send them to if you have problems).

    Followup with the sons may be a way for you to proceed if you have not already tried that route.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
  16. redcap50

    redcap50 New Member

    Hello all ,

    When I started my search on Fortress # 42-102645, I was well aware that it would not be
    easy : except the MACR, no official picture, neither the full story of the mission on August, 9th 1944 is known.
    I am very grateful for the help I received from Mrs Athalie YOUNG (great aunt of “CHAD” on this forum),
    Mrs Becky LUCUS, Mrs Louise CHILD etc

    I also took a written contact with Mr George Howe COLT, author of the book The big House … without any response however.

    Later on I found out that F/O Kenneth V. FRENCH visited my country two times :
    due to his visits to Belgium and by the publication of the book edited by Mr J.L. VAN BELLE ( Historical Cercle of Braine-le-Château ) in which Mr FRENCH explained the full story of their mission .
    (original title of that book: Mémoires d’un aviateur américain tombé à Braine-le-Château en août 1944).

    On page 9 from the above mentioned book, Mr FRENCH related that the original designated navigator was replaced when they already climbed aboard the plane, by the navigator 2nd Lt COLT Henry.
    I quote : “ Comme nous montions dans l’appareil, une jeep roula vers nous et, après un moment de confusion, notre navigateur, un 1er lieutenant, fils de colonel, nous quitta pour aller voler avec un autre équipage. …”
    “ As we were getting into the aircraft, a jeep rolled towards us and, after a moment of confusion, our navigator, a 1st lieutenant, son of a colonel, left us to fly with another crew…”.


    To complete the story, I’m asking to become a copy of the mission diagram of August 9, 1944 and the composition of the CHILDcrew, before replacement of that particular navigator.

    BTW: The ceremony and unveiling of a stone of remembrance will take place in the Belgian city of BRAKEL in the month of August 2017.

    Best regards,


    redcap50
     

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