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Corporal Edward J. Schneider 15043539

Discussion in 'All Hands Club & Canteen Discussion Area' started by Robersabel, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:10 PM.

  1. Robersabel

    Robersabel New Member

    Create Thread: Corporal Edward J. Schneider 15043539

    Able to locate grave and other information of the individual identified. Lack circumstances leading to his death. MACR?
     
  2. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

  3. Parker

    Parker Member

    There is also a half page writeup on this a/c in Fortress Against the Sun page 245/246 by Salecker but it doesn't add anything new to the Pacific Wrecks writeup.
     
  4. Robersabel

    Robersabel New Member

    Appreciate the official report of what happened to Schneider. Now to locate the NOK to determine if interested to request the BSM, and other awards and decorations he earned.
     
  5. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    I'll post this newspaper clipping in two posts.
     

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  6. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    2nd part of article:
     

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  7. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56763284 of little help in your goal.

    There could be some family tracking issues here, unless you have already been contacted by the family. Searching ancestry.com has yielded few solid family connection results. Here is the article Rolland also found in one part:
    Cpl Edward John Schneider; Garrett_Clipper_Mon__Sep_13__1943_Garrett_Clipper_Mon__Sep_13__1943_.jpg
     
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  8. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Here is the other piece you will need to try and track relatives. I "think" his mother was Cora Belle Schneider, appearing as Corabelle Schneider in the 1930 census with only son Edward J (John?).
    Her then husband was John Schneider. The family was living in IL. Note that Edward's enlistment record has IL as birth state.

    Garrett_Clipper_Mon__Aug_27__1956_.jpg
     
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  9. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Rolland,
    Concur; Edward John Schneider DOB 14 August 1921 born in Chicago, Illinois. From the earlier article Edward attended Hammond Technical-Vocational High School, Hammond, Indiana, some year books here http://www.classmates.com/yearbooks/school/Hammond-TechnicalVocational-High-School/8544 (looks like a pay to view site), before moving to Garrett, IN in 1937.

    Air Corps enlistment 2 September 1940 (just for the record)
    https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=15043539&bc=sl&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=1027962

    Edward J. Schneider's mother Cora Belle "Evens" "Schneider" McCullough passed in 1964; findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93361203
    obviously his step-father Russell Cleveland McCullough is also noted on the headstone passing in 1971; for what it's worth https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93361196
     
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  10. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Here is the obit of Edward's step brother Murray. Not sure they were at all close given the difference in their ages. Murray was already married and out on his own when Edward's mother married R. C.

    http://www.rollerfuneralhomes.com/services.asp?page=odetail&id=8129&locid=


    Note: The son John, mentioned in Murray's obit died in 2014.
    http://m.arkansasonline.com/obituaries/2014/jun/01/john-mccullough-2014-06-01/


    Using the two obits which give spouses names and cities of residence, it is possible using anywho.com to come up with phone numbers and addresses of several of Murray's children.
     
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  11. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Have added a bio and other additions to the Cpl Edward John Schneider findagrave memorial page

    https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56763284

    In one of the earlier newspaper articles it was stated that Edward received his radio technician training at France field. To the best of my searching there was no such place in the United States (ZOI). This early pre-war radio training was conducted at Chanute Field, Rantoul, Illinois (perhaps Chanute being French was the origination of this error in the newspaper article?). In this bio Chanute Field is where I placed Edward's radio training.

    I think this to be an accurate bio for Edward John Schneider; was unable to confirm the fate of his father John Henry Schneider separation either by death or divorce. Beyond that please advise of any errors found or correction suggestions to this bio, including citing omissions.
     
  12. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Scott your are right. France Field was in Panama. That might have been his first assignment after he received his radio training. Oddly I don't think the Fort Slocum mentioned in the newspaper article was a radio training site either. I think the radio training school had transferred from Chanute Field to Scott Field in July 1939, so I think that would be where he received his radio training, since he enlisted in 1940.

    http://www.scott.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/159788/scott-air-force-base-history/
     
  13. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Rolland, concur with the training shift from Chanute Field to Scott Field, near Belleville, Illinois editing the bio accordingly. Without further France Field, Panama historical content [directly connected to Cpl Edward John Schneider] from other sources will omit this content from the bio. Unclear what Edward's assignment might have been at Fort Slocum, New York, this appears to have been a base structured to the mass movement of men and material overseas early in the war, however during Edward's early assignment the mission may have been different.
     
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  14. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    I am now beginning to wonder if I'm reading this portion of the newspaper article wrong.

    Cpl Edward John Schneider; deployment.jpg

    This may possibly be a deployment record of sorts, with Fort Slocum serving as his embarkation port to the Canal Zone, being stationed at France Field, Panama. The portion about his radio technician training just added to describe his duties not necessarily related to France Field. I was hoping for some type of connection between groups which served at France Field with the 19th Bomb Group where Cpl Schneider would end up in Australia and PNG but there does not seem to be one reviewing here

    https://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/panama/france/index.html

    I guess there does not need to be a Panama to 19th BG relation where he was transferred individually. Related to this thread if the France Field service is correct the American Defense Medal would be added to his awards.

    This has not been posted earlier, several awards omitted.

    https://www.wwiimemorial.com/Registry/plaque_cemetery.aspx?honoreeID=777230
     
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  15. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Scott, there is definitely some confusion. He is listed as the Assistant Radio Operator for the final flight, which means he was actually a gunner. I wonder how much "radio" training an assistant radio operator actually had and would it have been done at a formal school like Scott Field? (I think the radio training at Scott field was 22 weeks long.) I could not find a direct connection for units at France Field moving to the Philippines either.
     
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  16. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Rolland, there are definitely missing pieces to this puzzle. Enlistment 2 Sept 1940 to KIA 12 Sept 1942 equals 2 years, 10 days service. According to the news article if correct he was stationed for 11 months at France Field. This then leaves 1 year, 1 month or so unaccounted. Basic training and (gunnery training?) might eat up another (six months?) down to 7 months or so unaccounted. I suspect his Philippine / Australia deployment involved a boat, could be another month or less involved, or he deployed flying with a replacement B-17 greatly reducing the trip time.

    Lots of unanswered questions. This does bring up the motivation of the original poster of this thread Robersabel and why we are researching Cpl Schneider. Is this thread driven by a Cpl Schneider family request to Robersabel for information (where more information might be available?) Or originating from some other purpose and direction where the only known facts are those found in this thread.

    Maybe I should edit the bio to include the 11 months stationed at France Field, and remove the radio training at Scott Field which may or may not have occurred...?
     
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  17. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Scott, I found another article, written when he first was missing. A couple of things are mentioned. He was in the 25th BS when in Panama. It does say (perhaps incorrectly) that he was in school at France Field for 11 months and graduated as a radio technician. (It is remotely possible that in fact he was sent to Scott Field during that time and returned to Panama, but that is not what is written). He was moved back to the US in July 42? (reference is "last July") and then apparently right out to the Pacific. He did not get a chance to get home apparently during that time. The article was written Sept 24, 1942. He went missing Sept 12. Then a second article appears in October (next post).
     

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  18. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 1942 this article appears, saying he had been found safe. Then in 1943 the article appears (post #7 above) that he was killed. It is doubtful the family every learned the complete story.
     

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  19. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Great find Rolland, lots of good new information, particularly confirmation of assignment at France Field, and with the 25th BS. It seems unlikely that Cpl Schneider would be flown or otherwise transported from Panama to Scott Field, Illinois for radio school, then returned to Panama. France Field today does not look like much but during the war the field supported both bomber and fighter squadrons as well as a depot repair squadron. Perhaps the base also set up some type of radio repair and perhaps other schools which Cpl Schneider attended; (however searching no record of such a radio school was found).

    Still no link found between the 25th BS Panama and the 19th BG, SWPA so Cpl Schneider's transfer seems an individual move. If I am reading the article post#17 correctly it is dated 24 Sept 1942, with mother recording telegram received 25 July 1942 Edward has landed safe in California. Followed by a letter 28 July 1942; happy to be back in the USA. Then a station move card is received dated 25 August 1942 that Edward had arrived safely at "new destination" (this should have included a new APO number for future mail) likely (Australia?). Then by the record he goes missing 20 days later on Saturday 12 Sept 1942.

    This day in Pacific War history https://www.pacificwrecks.com/date/1942/09/12.html

    I'll try to edit his bio accordingly.

    Edit: Please review these brief bio edits:

    https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56763284
     
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