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B-24 Crash Site - Hungary

Discussion in 'Heavy & Very Heavy Bombers' started by 461st Fan, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. 461st Fan

    461st Fan Member

    A B-24, serial number 42-52336, from the 461st Bomb Group. 766th Bomb Squadron crashed in the vicinity of Szigetszentmiklos, Hungary on 13 April 1944 following a mid air collision. The family of the copilot will be visiting Budapest and would like to visit the crash site. Would anyone know the GPS coordinates for that site, or know how to find it? Thanks very much.
     
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  2. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Not the GPS coordinates you seek. Might help others help you find that location.

    Joe Baugher http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1942_3.html
    B-24H-15-FO-42-52336 (461th BG, 766th BS) hit by AAA then collided with 42-52366 and crashed at Szigetszentmiklos, Hungary Apr 13, 1944. 12 KIA. MACR 4649, 40 pages start here on fold3 https://www.fold3.com/image/29034935
    B-24H-15-FO-42-52366 (461st BG, 766th BS, "Spirit of Hollywood/Gloria Jean") hit by the crashing 42-52336 over Budapest and then crashed between Kiskunlachaza and Bugyi, Hungary Apr 13, 1944. Copilot killed in the collision, rest bailed out but the pilot's chute failed and he was also killed. 2 KIA, 8 POW. MACR 3974, 13 pages start here on fold3 https://www.fold3.com/image/28620398

    The same crash vicinity map was used in both MACR’s 3974 and 4649. Here is the one from 4649 (better copy). No Germany KU reports included (that I saw) which might aid in a better crash location found for either ship.
    MACR_4649_Page_21_42-52336_crash_Area_map.jpg
     
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  3. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Joe Baugher has mixed up the planes in his description of events. He may have also mixed up the crash locations.

    As best I can tell this is how things should read.

    42-42336 (461st BG, 766th BS) hit by the crashing 42-52366 over Budapest and then crashed, Apr 13, 1944.
    Co-Pilot killed in the collision (may have been by prop of colliding plane or had been hit by flak) , rest bailed out but the pilot's chute failed and he was also killed.
    2 KIA 8 POW MACR 4649. Pilot: Paul S Mowery, Co-Pilot: George L Owens


    42-52366 "Spirit of Hollywood/Gloria Jean") 461th BG, 766th BS) hit by AAA then collided with 42-52366 and crashed on Apr 13, 1944. 12 KIA.
    MACR 3974 Pilot Charles W Bauman, CoP: David N Riker

    One of the planes crashed between Kiskunlachaza and Bugyi, Hungary. The other crashed at Szigetszentmiklos, Hungary. What is confusing is which plane is which.

    The target Airport and Factory was located here: 47°20'43"N 018°58'52"E. You can copy paste those co-ordinates into Google Maps or Google Earth.

    Two Hungarian links (may be the same story). Google Translate does not do a good job with Hungarian. An engine of one of the planes was apparently found. Mowery is mentioned in the stories.

    http://www.repulomuzeum.hu/Roncskutatas/B-24mot/B-24mot.htm


    On the next link, story starts on page 79. This appears to be put out by a military museum. They might be able to answer questions as to where the planes came actually came down.

    http://www.honvedelem.hu/container/files/attachments/55325/haditechnika_2011_1_teljes_red.pdf

    A youtube video of I think?? the same engine recovery:

     
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2017
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  4. 461st Fan

    461st Fan Member

    Thanks very much. I had checked the MACRs and plan a trip to the National Archives later this week to look at the KU report, which I'll pass along to the family, but hoped for the GPS since they asked. I appreciate the info, which I should have included in the first place!
     
  5. 461st Fan

    461st Fan Member

    Looks like you got the response intended for Kingman. It appears we clicked at almost the same time.

    I had missed the 336 - 366 mix up, but you are correct, nice catch. It is the family's understanding that 42-52336 crashed at Szigetszentmiklos. Thanks for the coordinates and I'll play around with the Hungarian.
     
  6. tothfzs

    tothfzs Member

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  7. 461st Fan

    461st Fan Member

    Thank you very much. I will try to contact him.
     
  8. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Of no aid in crash site location identification, merely an attempt to honor the air crew members being discussed here, putting some faces with names. Sadly not all are pictured.

    MACR 4649 Page 18, 42-52336 Mowery, Crew
    MACR_4649_Page_18_42-52336_Mowery Crew.jpg
    Mowery, Crew #49
    Paul S Mowery Crew.jpg
    Photo caption
    Standing L-R: Reed, George E. (N); Mowery, Paul S. (P) [KIA]; Owens, George L. Jr. (CP) [KIA]; [Sanders, Robert M. (B) not on 13Apr44 mission]
    Kneeling L-R: Dean, Harry E. (TG); [Johnson, Lenard S. (WG) not on 13Apr44 mission]; Zippilli, Joseph S. (E/TT); Moreno, John V. 'Bob' (NG); Hoch, Daniel R. (BG)
    Not Pictured above-S/Sgt Clayton Allen Childs, Jr. (RO/WG)
    Crew replacements on 13 Apr 44 mission (also not pictured)
    2nd Lt Robert Bane Hovey (Bombardier)
    2nd Lt Phillip J Caroselli (Observer)
    Sgt Myron Theodore Yaw (LWG)

    Photo source http://www.461st.org/Crews/766th Crews/Mowery.html

    MACR 3974 Page 5, 42-52366, Bauman, Crew
    MACR_3974_Page_5_42-52366_Bauman_Crew.jpg
    Bauman, Crew #44
    Bauman, Crew.jpg
    Photo caption, sadly not in crew member photo order:
    Bauman, Charles W., Pilot
    Riker, David N., Co-Pilot
    Ritacco, Frank E., Navigator
    Zabriskie, Edward F., Bombardier
    Brindle, Alfred G., Engineer/Gunner
    Bross, Edward C., Gunner
    Brzezinski, Edmund J., Gunner
    Carroll, Leo G., Gunner
    Velarde, Leopoldo, Engineer/Gunner
    Ventresca, Michael, Radio Operator/Gunner
    (not in photo) 1st Lt Raymond V Gombossy (Navigator-2)
    Photo source http://www.461st.org/Crews/766th Crews/bauman.html
     
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  9. 461st Fan

    461st Fan Member

    If you take a look at the Mowery crew photo above you'll see that it was 42-52336 that was named "Spirit of Hollywwod/Gloria Jean" and not 42-52366. It was wrong on 461st.org but has been corrected.
     

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