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B-17 G Egghaid information on crew and bomber requested

Discussion in '381st BG - Ridgewell' started by Thomas Lauman, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. Thomas Lauman

    Thomas Lauman New Member

    My father-in-law was the navigator on Egghaid in 1944-45 would appreciate anyone who is able to help fill in anymore history or info about the crew or plane. I have pic and stories to share. Tom Lauman Son in law
     
  2. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    With the 381st Bomb Group flew a '' Egghaid '', B-17G # 42-97511

    Probably Scott Burris knows more,

    Jaap
     
  3. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Hello Tom welcome to the AAF forum.
    From your profile page you are researching John Bohan, is that correct for this thread?

    What period of time did John C. Bohan serve with the 535BS, 381BG?

    See http://www.381st.org/to http://www.381st.org/Unit-History/Members-Section-Files membership might offer some additional answers.

    http://www.381st.org/Unit-History/Roster Bohan John C., ASN: O-703180, 535th BS, N, MOS: 1034; P. Gnatzig Crew

    Gnatzig Crew
    Gnatzig Crew.jpg
    Back (L-R): John Bohan -N, Philip Gnatzig -P, Ralph Gillham -B, Joe Becker -CP. Front (L-R): Ed Nichols -BTG, George Dell -TT, Willard Seaman -WG, Floyd Hanson -RO, J.W. Swafford -WG, Frank Lobasso -TG.
    Photo courtesy http://www.381st.org/Photo-Gallery/emodule/773/eitem/97

    It would appear John C. Bohan was not involved in the fatal accident noted below for this ship.

    The end for 42-97511 "Egg Haid" was a mid air collision of two Forts near their base at Ridgewell Airfield, Essex, England, So there is no MACR.
    Osborne Fort Log:
    B-17G-15-VE-42-97511 Del Cheyenne 7/12/43; Albuquerque 15/12/43; Kearney 4/1/44; Ass 535BS/381BG [MS-K] Ridgewell 22/2/44; mid air coll w/42-40011 returning from Aschaffenburg 2/1/45 w/Val Crofts, cp-Nicholas Tauro, n-Seymour Sobole, tog-Ed Jones, ettg-Gildo Pannacione, ro-Morris Shapiro, btg-Allen Taylor, wg-John York, tg-Milton Swarts (9KIA); crashed near base; Sal 2 SAD Watton, Nfk. EGG HAID.
    Joe Baugher:
    42-97511 (381st BG, 535th BS, *Egg haid*) in midair collision with 42-40011 Jan 21, 1945. Declared salvage.

    Other Plane:
    Osborne:
    B-17G-10-VE-42-40011 Del Long Beach 3/11/43; Kearney 14/11/43; ass 534BS/381BG [GD-O] Ridgewell 22/1/44; mid-air coll w/42-97511 (381BG) peeling off over field on returning from Aschaffenberg 21/1/45, w/Jim Smith, cp-Bill Dernberger, n-Chas Soper, b-Bernie McCudden, ettg-Peter Durban Jr, ro-Virgil Gray, btg-Don Wilson, wg-Ralph Campbell, tg-Walter Streich (9KIA); cr in base area on approach. SCHNOZZLE.
    Joe Baugher:
    42-40011 (381st BG, 534 BS, *Shnozzle*) in midair collision Jan 21, 1945 with 42-97511.
     
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  4. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Photos of Egg Haid and Schnozzle of the 381st BG, both taken in March 1944




    EGG HAID.jpg


    SCHNOZZLE.jpg
     
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  5. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Tom,
    See this page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dotsfamilypage/dots_page/World War II Page.html and search [Ctrl+F] Gnatzig your father-in-law's pilots name (sadly this page is difficult to read because of the background chosen but the page designer). Between April to Sept 1944 there are 11 missions where Gnatzig is referenced. It would be assume Lt. Bohan would have participated as navigator of this crew during these missions but this is not confirmed.

    More about Philip W. Gnatzig here http://www.381stbg.org/dedicat.php Lt. Bohan likely flew with other crews.

    Scott M
     
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  6. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    The listing at the AAM narrows down his service time as February to July 1944.


    BOHAN.jpg
     
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    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

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  8. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Think we skipped over one question, is Bohan still living? If not, when did he die?

    Source of the AAM listing appears to be the 8th AF Museum in Savannah. Too bad they make it so difficult to access their database, it's kind of a one way street with them.
     
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  9. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Good find Jaap. Gives us a lot more to work with. Thanks.

    EDIT: All things considered, dates, etc., this may not be the right John Bohan. Not sure, still looking. Anybody have access to the "Members only" section of the 381st web site??

    EDIT AGAIN: The news stories in #9 and #12 are for the John Bohan in the 466th BG.
     
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  10. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    1/Lt. William E.Bohan was also in the 381st. Family of John ??
     
  11. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    The Lt. John "C" Bohan being researched here was a navigator; your articles above are likely the wrong Bohan, oddly a rather common last name.

    Edit: Further, the chances of William E Bohan, ASN: O-736464, 532nd BS, 381st BG, Pilot, MOS: 1054, POW Luft III, being related to the subject John "C" Bohan are very remote.

    Tom, the original poster said he has a pic and stories to share. Might be best to feather this windmilling prop until we learn what he already knows.

    Until then, there is a nice photo of "Egg Haid" in formation on fold3 here https://www.fold3.com/image/161316329

    42-97511 [Egg Haid] in-flight - Cropped.jpg

    B-17 42-40011 'Schnozzle' in living color. WW II was not always black & white. I wonder if this art was in tribute to Jimmy Durante?
    B-17 42-40011 'Schnozzle'.jpg Jimmy Durante.jpg
     

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  12. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

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  13. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Scott,

    No doubt a tribute to Durante as you suggest. He would often refer to his prominent nose as the 'old schnozzola'. Supposedly the word schnoz is Yiddish for nose.

    Durante was a great 'old school' comedian. No sex, no foul language, mostly sight gags and song and dance routines. Remember him at the beginning of 'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World' when he 'kicks the bucket'?
     
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  14. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Scott you did it again, damm good photos,they are great.
     
  15. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Alright, forging ahead here (but still shooting in the dark) would be nice if Tom would check back in with some clarity. I found a couple more leads that I think head down the right trail.

    First this 381BG Diary http://www.381st.org/Unit-History/War-Diaries/535th-BS-War-Diary search John C. Bohan - two entries; First being the assignment of his crew to the squadron 26 March 1944: Three new crews were assigned today: 2nd Lts Philip W. Gnatzig, Joseph W. Becker, Ralph G. Gillham, John C. Bohan; S/Sgts Floyd C. Hanson, J. W. Swafford, Sgts Willard F. Seaman, Edwin F. Nichols, Francis Lobasso and George W. Dell, Jr. (slightly different than the names listed with the crew photo caption post #3)

    Second being his tour is complete he's headed home; 14 JULY 1944: The following officers, combat tours complete, left for home: Capt Charles A. Enos, 1st Lts Edwin Ringgenberg, Abraham A. Levine, Richard L. Snyder, Ralph G. Gillham and John C. Bohan. (Confirms the AAM February to July 1944 service period - a little off on the beginning month)

    Second, found this navigators site PDF http://www.usaf-nav-history.com/dr0116.pdf search Bohan John C. Unfortunately the Navigators School is unknown but his class is recorded as 43-18, and more importantly offers where he was from; Lincolnshire, Illinois. If this is correct it leads here on Ancestry:
    In the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
    Name:
    John C. Bohan
    Last Residence: 60069 Lincolnshire, Lake, Illinois
    BORN: 22 Jan 1922
    Died: 10 Mar 2009
    State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)

    [No Findagrave memorial found]

    If that is all correct this may well be his enlistment record https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...&tf=F&q=16082076&bc=sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=184953 ASN: 16082076 entering service 12 August 1942; which might fit nicely with a navigator school class 43-18.

    Now we wait for Tom's confirmation on this, and other speculation about John C. Bohan in this thread.

    Bohan John C., ASN 16082076.jpg
     

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  16. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Good job Scott. Agree, it would be nice if Tom would check in again. Gets frustrating going through all the exercise without knowing if anyone is actually listening.
     
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    Airwar Well-Known Member

  18. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Jaap,
    This Victoria might well be Tom's wife and the daughter of Lt John C. Bohan.
     
  19. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Veering further off topic, this afternoon I came across a picture of Jimmy Durante and Danny Thomas comparing their equally famous schnozzola's. Thought you'd get a laugh.



    Jimmy Durante and Danny Thomas.jpg
     
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