Another lynching - another mystery...

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  1. BMBazooka

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  2. RSwank

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    Starting on the fold3 page Susanne gave above, it appears that MACR 5310 for 42-97440 runs for 96 pages. But it appears to me that MACR actually ends at page 64. From pages 65 to 96 is kind of a mess of pages from different MACRs including 5311, 5230 and 5324. I don't think any of the pages from page 65 on relate to the Wilson crew. (probably need a second opinion on that). In the "Wilson" section it appears that places mentioned include both where men were captured and where the plane(s) crashed. If several planes went down in the same area at the same time it was common for the Germans initially to have mixed up which men came from which plane. It appears the captured men were not overly co-operative. The German KU pages note that the men would not give their birthdays for example.
     
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  3. 25Kingman49

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    Concur with Rolland. The aircraft was attached by Nazi aircraft 11 miles west of target Oschersleben after bombs away, full crew bailed out at approximately the same time landing around the area of Gerdelegen 35 miles north of the target.
    Crew:
    1st Lt Carleton Lee Wilson (P), POW, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=139494046
    2nd Lt Curtis Clifton Kelley (CP), POW, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60381590
    2nd Lt John King Connery (N), POW, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=115363129
    2nd Lt Francis Matthew Fogarty (B), POW, no findagrave memorial page
    S/Sgt John A Gray (RO), ASN: 32170030 no NARA enlistment record (NOK: Astoria New York, year of birth 1917), POW, findagrave (pretty confident) https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39352741
    T/Sgt Robert Emmett Quinn (ETTG), POW, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=107896936
    S/Sgt William Wayne Passeno (BTG) murdered by civilians, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103289360
    S/Sgt Gerald Nathan Pettit (TG), POW, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=65204287
    S/Sgt James Franklin McMahon (LW) chute did not open, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5030523
    S/Sgt George Richard Smith (RW) murdered by civilians, findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=70390009

    Lt Carlton L Wilson Crew
    Lt Carlton L Wilson Crew.jpg
    Standing L to R: S/Sgt Gerry M. Pettit, Tail Gunner; S/Sgt William W. Passeno, Ball Turret; T/Sgt Robert E. Quinn, Eng/TT; S/Sgt George R. Smith, Right Waist Gunner; T/Sgt Carl D. Anderson, Radio Op.
    Front L to R: 2nd Lt. Francis M. Fogarty, Bombardier; 1st Lt. Carleton L. Wilson, Pilot; 2nd Lt. John K. Connery, Navigator; S/Sgt James F. McMahon, Left Waist Gunner.
    Co-Pilot Curtis Clifton Kelley not shown and may have took the photo. Source http://401bg.org/Main/History/Crews/Details.aspx?CrewId=12821

    2nd Lt Francis Matthew Fogarty the bombardiers witness statements seem the most accurate and legible regarding crew condition and area of capture.

    The German reports place the crash site near Bookholzberg (135 miles away to the northwest) and report Pettit and Gray captured there which is obviously not correct. After the attack there is no report of how damaged 42-97440 was, so with autopilot set it (might?) have flown on unmanned to Bookholzberg / Tweelbake. Or as Rolland suggested this was a different plane included in the German KU-2118 Report, and this MACR by error.

    Osborne:
    B-17G-15-VE-42-97440 Del Denver 16/11/43; Kearney 1/12/43; Presque Is 11/12/43; Ass 614BS/401BG [IW-A] Deenethorpe 1/1/44; MIA Oschersleben 30/5/44 w/Carleton Wilson, cp-Curtis Kelley, n-John Connery, b-Francis Fogarty, ettg-Bob Quinn, ro-John Gray, tg-Gerald Pettitt (7POW); btg-Bill Passeno, wg-Jim McMahon, wg-George Smith (3KIA); e/a, cr Tweelbake, nine miles W of Bookholzberg, Ger; MACR 5310. FLAK RAT II.

    TUESDAY, 30 MAY 1944 was a busy day in the ETO air war, plenty of room for confusion in loss reporting:
    EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO): Loading of assault forces for Operation OVERLORD (invasion of Normandy) begins.
    STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 380: 928 bombers and 672 fighters in 6 forces are dispatched to hit aircraft industry targets in Germany and marshalling yards in France and Belgium; they claim 65-8-6 Luftwaffe aircraft; 12 bombers and 9 fighters are lost:
    1. 268 B-17s are dispatched to attack aviation industry targets at Dessau (83 bomb), Halberstadt (107 bomb) and Oschersleben (51 bomb); 5 other hit targets of opportunity; they claim 8-5-1 Luftwaffe aircraft; 9 B-17s are lost and 81 damaged; 2 airmen are WIA and 86 MIA.
    2. 369 B-24s are dispatched to hit aviation depots at Oldenburg (135 bomb), Rotenburg (147 bomb) and Zwischenahn (71 bomb); 1 other hits a target of opportunity; 1 B-24 is lost, 2 damaged beyond repair and 36 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 2 WIA and 9 MIA.
    3. 46 of 91 B-24s hit Munster/Handorf Airfield and 36 others hit Diepholz Airfield; 2 B-24s are lost, 1 is damaged beyond repair and 36 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 6 WIA and 9 MIA.
    4. 122 of 126 B-17s hit French marshalling yards; 62 hit Reims and 60 hit Troyes; 24 B-17s are damaged.
    5. 39 of 40 B-17s hit Brussels/Schaerbeck marshalling yard, Belgium; 12 B-17s are damaged.
    6. 76 of 84 B-17s hit V-weapon sites in the Pas de Calais, France; 12 B-17s are damaged; 3 airmen are KIA, 2 WIA and 10 MIA.
    Escort is provided by 186 P-38s, 184 P-47s and 302 P-51s; 3 P-38s are damaged; P-47s claim 2-0-0 Luftwaffe aircraft with 1 loss (pilot is MIA); P-51s claim 48-3-2 Luftwaffe aircraft in the air and 7-0-3 on the ground with the loss of 8 P-51s (pilots are MIA), 2 damaged beyond repair and 4 damaged; 637 Ninth Air Force fighters support the mission; they claim 8-0-2 aircraft in the air and 0-0-4 on the ground for the loss of 3.
    100 P-47s are dispatched to bomb 4 rail bridges in NW France; 37 hit Longueil bridge, 26 hit Beaumont-sur-Oise bridge, 23 hit Canly-le-Jouque bridge and 12 hit the Creil bridge; 1 P-47 is lost (pilot is MIA).
    TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Ninth Air Force): In France, 320+ B-26s attack airfields at Denain/Prouvy and Mantes/Limay, and highway bridges at Meulan and Rouen. Nearly 400 P-47s dive-bomb targets in NW Europe.

    MACR 5311, 42-97440, 30 May 1944 overview map.jpg
     
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  4. Airwar

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    Francis M. Fogarty
     

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    George R.Smith
     

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    James F. McMahon
     

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  9. RSwank

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    In the newspaper postings above for F M Fogarty, the Obit seems to be for a different person. Parents names are different than those in the MACR.
     
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  10. 25Kingman49

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    Yes, attached is the NOK page. Fogarty's parents are simply listed Mr. & Mrs Francis J. Fogarty.
     

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  11. 25Kingman49

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    Lt. Francis Matthew Fogarty details:
    in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
    Name: Francis Matthew Fogarty
    [Francis M Fogarty]
    SSN: redacted, ASN: O-682098
    Gender: Male
    Race: White
    Birth Date: 14 Jun 1921
    Birth Place: Kingston Luz, Pennsylvania
    Death Date: 10 Mar 2002
    Father: Francis J Fogarty
    Mother: Josephine M Connell
    Type of Claim: Original SSN.
    Notes: Oct 1939: Name listed as FRANCIS MATTHEW FOGARTY; 16 Mar 2002: Name listed as FRANCIS M FOGARTY

    Additional; Last Residence:
    38558 Crossville, Cumberland, Tennessee, USA
    BORN: 14 Jun 1921
    Died: 10 Mar 2002
    State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
    Wife: Frances Ann "Moore" Fogarty, married 21 Mar 1946, Luzerne, Pennsylvania; Born 29 September 1923 she died 15 Jan 1988 at age 63.

    Attached 1950 PA, Veterans Compensation application.

    Edit: Obit http://static.cnhionline.com/crossvillechronicle/flashpromo/OldStuff/Obituary/march02obits.html
    Francis M. Fogarty
    June 14, 1921 - March 10, 2002
    Francis Matthew Fogarty, 80, of Fairfield Glade, passed away March 10, 2002. No services are planned at this time.
    Mr. Fogarty was born June 14, 1921, in Wilkes-Barre, PA, the son of Francis Joseph and Josephine Connell Fogarty.
    He was a World War II Army Air Corps veteran and POW. He resided in Switzerland, Hong Kong and the United States, and was a member of the Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club and the VFW.
    Survivors include his wife, Elizabeth "Browny" Fogarty of Fairfield Glade; sons, Robert Fogarty of Lititz, PA, William Fogarty of Huntington Beach, CA, Patrick Fogarty of Kingston, PA and Michael Fogarty of Broomfield, CO; daughters, Maureen Peterman of Winter Springs, FL, Colleen Fogarty of Darnestown, MD, and Jan Hix of Shelbyville, TN; and 11 grandchildren.
    Hood Funeral Home was in charge of the arrangements.
     

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  12. 25Kingman49

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    Memorial Day: Memories of a P.O.W. John A Gray. http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/20424 & http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/118247 according to Gray in this article all three crew members William Wayne Passeno, James Franklin Mcmahon, George Richard Smith were murdered by civilians.

    S?Sgt John A Gray, ASN: 32170030
    SSgt John A Gray, ASN 32170030.jpg
    John A Gray, Staff Sergeant USAAF. S/Sgt John A. Gray flew 27 missions, from 01/05/1944, mission #12, to 05/30/1944, mission #79. He served as a Radio Operator. He was taken prisoner on 05/30/1944.
     
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    Was John A.Cray involved in an other crash in May 1943 ?
     

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  15. RSwank

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    I read through the MACR a couple of times and I just don't think Gray and Pettit were captured where the Germans said. Which also makes me think the location of the crash at Tweelbacke could "possibly" also be wrong. The distance is just too far away from where the rest of the crew bailed out. In particular, note that Fogerty's statement about Pettit on page 56 says that Pettit bailed out shortly after the order to abandon ship was given. I think that when the order was given to bail McMahon and Smith (the two waist gunners) and Passeno (ball turrent gunner) bailed all out the rear door. I think a short time later, allowing for little time it might take for the tail gunner Pettit and R/O Gray to get to the same door, they bailed out. All the crew in the front of the plane bailed out at about the same time but perhaps a few minutes later.
    Now it is possible the plane (on autopilot) did fly up the Tweelbacke, but there is just no way Gray and Pettit would have stayed in the plane by themselves. Note several times in the MACR the Germans state that they think the plane came down at Ruehen. Ruehen, Gardelengen and Helmstedt (where Smith, McMahon and Passeno were buried) form a triangle, all within about 40km of each other.
     
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  17. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Concur with Rolland. The likely crash site for the unmanned B-17 42-97440 would be near this triangular area noted where the crew bailed out and where three were murdered.

    Target 30 May 1944 Oschersleben 401BG, 42-97440.jpg
     

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