AAF Career of actor John Carroll

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  1. Anthony J. Mireles

    Anthony J. Mireles New Member

    Anybody have any information about the war time AAF career of actor John Carroll, also known as Julian La Faye? He reportedly suffered injuries when he was involved in an aviation accident in North Africa. Can't find him in the accident record (not unusual, especially if he was not PIC). Internet search brings up the same old info. Looking for details concerning his service.
     

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  2. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    There is a photo of him here. There is a zoom button on the left. Looks like he is wearing gunner's wings. The fancy pin on the left, a "ruptured duck" discharge? or something else? Looks like he has the EAME campaign ribbon with one star and the American Campaign ribbon. There may be a third solid color ribbon (left most ribbon). The fancy lapel pins show he was an Aid to a Brigadier General (one star on the shield). What is not there is an Air Medal.

    https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/13359140
     
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  3. Anthony J. Mireles

    Anthony J. Mireles New Member

    Thanks. Definitely gunner wings. Okay, so seeing is believing. Not a pilot. Thanks. Still very interested in his service overseas.


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  4. RSwank

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  5. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Some Newspaper Clips. 4th Fighter Command was a stateside (West Coast) unit. Morris was commander from March to Dec, 1943. Morris then went to XII fighter Command in Jan 44. I wonder if Carroll went with him.

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  6. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Here is his arrival back in the states via a hospital ship in July 1944
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  7. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    • Two more Hollywood gossip type articles. The second seems to imply he was on the staff of the XII fighter command. The first????
     

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  8. Anthony J. Mireles

    Anthony J. Mireles New Member

    Wow. Thanks guys.
     
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  9. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    When Gen Morris went to XII Fighter Command in Jan 1944, it was based in Algeria. It apparently did not move to Italy (Caserta) just outside of Naples until July 1944.
    So "IF" John Carroll was on the staff, he probably spent most of his time in North Africa, which would explain some of the statements found online regarding Carroll. I think the crash (apparently in Italy) would have occurred in very late March, or in April, May or June, 1944. He came home in a hospital ship on July 12, 1944 and spent more time in hospital(s) stateside.
     
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  10. pathfinder504

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  11. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    Pathfinder504, do you think the pin you found is what he is wearing post #2? That would apparently be the claim.
    Also on the ribbon bars. Is he wearing a 3rd bar (the bar on the left) that may be all one solid color?

    I have found a few more articles. One showing him with Gen Morris in Oct/Nov 1943 at a recruiting event in San Francisco.
    Then a couple of newspaper articles that place him in Algiers, Algeria in March 1944. (He was also a singer). It seems odd that given the way he was being covered by the Hollywood gossip columnists, such as Hedda Hopper (he sends her some slippers from Cairo at one point) why there does not seem to be anything written when he actually crashed.
     

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  12. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Certainly seems to be PF's intention in post #10. When would this have been awarded and was Carroll qualified to wear it. I guess the lower lapel pin "AIDE BRIGADIER GENERAL EMBLEM DUI" fits. War is Hell...
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  13. pathfinder504

    pathfinder504 Member

    Yes--your short article in your last post above gives the provenance of the item.....

    As to the coverage...well there "was a war on" as the Brits say. The fake-ish Hollywood news ala "Casablanca" was pablum for the masses rather than the reality of potential death and destruction from an actual airplane crash.

    By the way I must add another double search to my comments on Mc's Mac's and O's--space--no space. Two different groupings of name come up when search his real name as Lafaye and/or La Faye---space--no space matters to computer generated databases.
     
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  14. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Carroll flew some missions with a French B-26 squadron? It does not appear he was a pilot, but he may have gone on some perhaps "unauthorized" missions as an observer/gunner. There were 6 French B-26 squadrons that were operating as part of the 12th AF. Some, I know, were based in Sardinia. I wonder if any were on Corsica?

    Anyone know of any other possible French bomber units operating in the 12th AF? I can't believe they would just give him the Lafayette Escadrille pin, I would think he would have had to "do" something. Or perhaps it is all just Hollywood hype. It certainly appears he was in a noncombat role with his "regular" jobs in the air force.
     
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    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

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  16. pathfinder504

    pathfinder504 Member

    It sounds like it was not "officially" conferred, but rather a "gong" for a famous guy who flew with them. As such it would not appear on a list of awards. The item is not a medal--it is the symbol of a "brevet pilot". "Brevet" Maybe a bit higher on the flying totem pole than our Air Cadet prop and wing hat badge and cuff patch.

    "In many of the world's military establishments, a brevet ([​IMG]i/brəˈvɛt/ or [​IMG]i/ˈbrɛvɪt/)[1] was a warrant giving a commissioned officer a higher rank title as a reward for gallantry or meritorious conduct, but without receiving the authority, precedence, or pay of real rank."
     
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