AAC Flag

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  1. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

    I am searching for an Army Air Corp flag size 3' x 5' that I can use at funerals for our Veterans. I am with the GA Patriot Guard Riders. I can find one for the 8th AF but I am looking for one that represents all AAC.
     
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    Airwar Well-Known Member

  3. BruceT

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  5. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Bruce,
    Understand your 3 x 5 size requirement as a VTX-1300 rider. Hard to believe these folks http://www.flagpeople.net/#!product-page/ub0mu/8c13f339-73ef-089f-5834-dfa36c08c08b only carry it in 6 x 9 (monster bikes???) they are the "Bike Flag" people or so they say. You might wish to contact them again with a special size request (at no extra charge). They are also on FB https://www.facebook.com/The-Flag-People-119044904856052/ for comment and located in Ft. Myers, FL within Georgia striking range for a "rally ride" I would think if some of your group / squadron wish to visit in person.

    For any forum members who might be missing the point and requirement here the video offered below should make it crystal clear. And, might I add for an aviator the closest you can get to flying without leaving the ground. What aerial warrior wouldn't want a motorcycle escort to fluff up their folded wings...!

     
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  6. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

    called them 135.00 for 3 x 5 ouch!
     
  7. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Nothing short of highway robbery as "their" 6 x 9 is openly available at $14.95. I'm sure you made it obvious "WHO" you represent, and the why should be crystal clear. Maybe a volume purchase if you have enough interested members might help. Sad to see this poor offering by the "Flag People" and this off handed disrespect for our elderly folded wing aerial veteran warriors of WW II.

    Other options. Blast them on Face Book or there is the "rally ride" if sanctioned https://www.patriotguard.org/content.php?132-State-Leaders Florida State Captain John 'Daze' Vincent appears to be point of contact for local operations. However, generally speaking your organization appears to be large enough to bargain on a volume bases if steered by Headquarters PGR with support of their state chapters. I will contact Utah State Captain Wayne Hunting out here in the high desert for support and also direct him to this forum posting. This might be a state by state effort at first however I think the "need" exists in all states with PGR chapters.

    Just an added note should this flag enter "special production" it is my belief that the text moniker (if included) should read Army Air Forces as opposed to Army Air Corps. This was an early WW II designation change that among other things represented that there were numerous "Numbered" Air Forces during WW II, who in many cases continued postwar thru formation of the USAF and beyond.

    Good luck, and good hunting.
     
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  8. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

    I think part of the difference is the 6 x 9 is inches and the 3 x 5 is feet and since they would need tomake one from scratch it just costs more. I'm still looking and hoping. Thanks
     
  9. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Bruce,
    Thank you for this clarification in inches vs. feet something not made clear by the "Flag People" on their buy me now page. I have emailed Wayne Hunting, Utah chapter, directing him here and further requesting if he agrees to the need for this flag he contact all PGR chapter Captains to pool this flag requirement with the "Flag People" or other source if need be.

    I think $135 is still rape. 3'x5' Polyester U.S. Flags from this source http://www.colonialflag.com/polyester-u-s-flags/?sort=alphaasc run below 40 bucks. Hopefully Headquarters PGR will address this matter. Have you communicated your desire thru PGR Georgia State Captain Jeff 'JayDub' Goodiel GASC@PatriotGuard.org again back to the state by state effort, until someone at PGR, HQ responds.
     
  10. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

    At present I am waiting to hear back from someone in the US on eBay that makes flags for about 30.00. No I have not call Jeff as I have bought all the flags in my inventory (spending my daughter's inheritance). Hopefully I can just get it done there are so few AAC Veterans left. Bruce
     
  11. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Bruce,
    Personal charitable contributions are one thing (spending your daughter's inheritance on this matter is another) This is why PGR was formed (to the best of my understanding, not being a member). So maybe you can educate me before I ride over to join. I would expect a higher order (command if you will) to take matters of this nature under consideration for the greater good. Perhaps not purchasing (these sundries "flags") left to individual chapter contribution fundraising)) However, it would be hoped that HQ/PGR could/would leverage purchasing power to lower cost of such items to benefit the full force.

    I'm more than a little new to the PGR's so will be monitoring this closely and taking a closer look, as all should with charities and how and where funds are spent. Might as well start at the top https://www.patriotguard.org/content.php truly hope this is not another wounded warriors project shell game; time will tell, no offense intended.
     
  12. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

     
  13. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

    Hi If you go to my facebook page: Bruce Tamker (Warner Robins, GA) and leave me a PM with contact info I'll be happy to tell you about the PGR. Bruce
     
  14. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    I do avoid FB at all costs except as an anonymous observer when required. You are more than welcome to start a "conversation" (once-upon-a-time a PM "Private Message") here on this forum with me if you like. As far as PGR objectives are concerned this may vary from state to state, chapter by chapter. As such for me much depends on how and if Wayne Hunting replies to my email to him. I have the "BIG PGR Picture" what I need at this point is local high desert perspective from Wayne. Good or bad the balance for me still hangs on Wayne's reply.
     
  15. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Bruce,
    I was contacted via email by Dave Richardson, Assistant State Captain, Patriot Guard Riders of Utah. I had the pleasure of speaking with Dave this morning by phone where he brought me up to speed on the PGR organization structure and history over time regarding state control vs national control. To condense this as best I understand the state chapters now operate independently from a fundraising standpoint to better serve the missions that chapter elects to serve and participate in, however remaining within national PGR guidelines.

    I was very impressed Dave as an executive office and his description of the Utah PGR chapter. Also of late in the news here along the Wasatch Front http://www.standard.net/Local/2016/...pected-to-ride-for-Riverdale-veterans-funeral I'll probably be a new riding member soon after a little more on site recon.

    On the Army Air Corps (Forces) flag issue I am sorry to report no joy from the Utah chapter on this subject. Dave explained that the volume of flags the chapter actually purchase is quite low overall (the reuse factor I'm guessing) This would be true for the primary "Stars & Strips" and even more so for the individual service branch flags. Did a little more hunting for "our" flag only to find another no -soup vendor here http://www.crwflags.com/page0501airforce.html This may in fact be a special order flag at a cost premium; nice thought of a PGR National volume leverage purchase but this possibility seems quite remote with the state chapter organizations. I would expect your Georgia state chapter to be in the same situation as the Utah chapter regarding branch of service flags.

    Anyway, I'll keep hunting and hope others will as well. To be obvious the image below represents the desired flag [Would still prefer Army Air Forces]. Even Wiki accurately reports the change in force structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Air_Forces but in the end I would be happy with either flag flying on the back of a motorcycle escort for a folded wings aerial warrior of WWII or postwar up to 18 September 1947 birthday of the USAF.
    US Army Air Corps Flag [1].jpg
     
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  16. Airwar

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  17. BruceT

    BruceT New Member

    GREAT news. A lady I found on eBay had the flag and is sending it to me. On her own she did it at no charge to also show respect to our Heros. Thanks to all for your assistance. Bruce
     
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