454th BG 738th BS Looking for info on the following. Any help will be appreciated!!!

Discussion in 'Heavy & Very Heavy Bombers' started by Randy Morgan, Dec 23, 2016.

  1. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    Check this out. Maybe Slip Stream one was a newer bomber #42-64459 Porter flew 03/19/1944. Shows lost in Italy possibly landing accident???? Slip Stream Two #42-50576 was shot down 08/17/1944 on a Ploesti bombing mission. Shows Porter as pilot of both.
     

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  2. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Randy,

    Here's a twist to consider. MACR stands for Missing Air Crew report, sometimes we lose sight of that and think it means Missing Aircraft report. Is it worth considering the possibility that on March 19th one or more crewmen bailed out for whatever reason and the aircraft actually made it back to base? Back in the late '90s I met a man who told me that he and another crewman bailed out of a B-24 because they were sure the a/c was going down. He was picked up by the Germans and spent the rest of the war as a POW. When the rest of the crew never showed up at the POW camp he couldn't figure out what had happened to them. For the rest of his life he never knew the answer. Took me about 5 minutes on the computer to find the MACR and learn that the a/c and the rest of the crew made it back to base. There was one a/c in the 447th where this happened TWICE, talk about a hard luck ship! Going through the MACRs you will see there are a lot of files that state ”aircraft not lost". If we could find the loading lists for March 19th the answer might be penciled in, or at least with the names of the crew who actually flew that ship we could search each one individually. Food for thought.
     
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  3. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    The other item maybe to consider with 42-64459 on the 19 March 44 mission to Steyr Austria is that Baugher also records the ship was salvaged Mar 22, 1944. How could that be possible unless the ship made it back to base or friendly territory which then would have been south of Cassino. So 42-64459 may have been lost to battle damage but made it home, scrapped 3 days later. Then the only error in the record is [MACR 3520] maybe a SNAFU that was never written.
     
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  4. Randy Morgan

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    I agree with you both, if we can find the MACR 3520 it may answer all the questions , but it will not let us open it on the 454thbombgroup.it site. Thank you both. I'm going to write them to find out why the MACR 3520 won't open.
    Merry Christmas to both of you and thank you. I'll keep plugging away and maybe finish the 60 something bombers and crews I have down for the 738th :).
    Randy
     
  5. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    That is kind of the point there might not be a MACR 3520 - maybe never written - regardless of what these records say. Hopefully the 454BG site can clear this up for you one way or the other.
     
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  6. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    Thanks Scott!!!! I'm sure there's more down the line like this since there's over 60 B-24's in this Squadron.
     
  7. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    Started reading some of the reports not numbered at the bottom on fold 3 and saw what you were talking about. and he thought the plane was going down A Lt. left the flight deck with a fire bottle to go to the waist area where they had a fire, 3 of the engines shut down, ball turret gunner was trying to get his attention not to jump, but he did and the restarted the engines. I'd hated to be him jumping then watching the plane keep flying off.
     
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  8. Milos

    Milos Member

    Hello Randy,

    here is David Millington's Escape Statement.
    It is very interesting story, but also complex, so it would be useful to have E&E, since later statements could be less precise.

    BTW, I was in mentioned area few years ago.
    Very mountainous area, with plains on 700-1000 meters above sea level.
    My wife's grandfather was from there, but he spent war in Germany, first in PoW camp, and later on one farm.

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  9. Parker

    Parker New Member

    LP,

    Think I knew the person you mentioned above. Years ago we had a neighbor who was a Navigator with the 465th who bailed out of a B24 along with the Bombardier. Never knew what happened to the rest of his crew. Was near the end of the war so he "only" spent a few months in the POW camp. Think he said they were fill ins with a strange crew and were afraid the pilot had lost control. Didn't wait around to find out.
     
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  10. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    Very Interesting and Thank you. The town in Italy he told them he was from can you make that out? Also thank you for your service and sacrifices! Mr. Millington's son told me his Dad and copilot were the last two out. The copilot bailed out and about time Mr. Millington was going to jump the plane started to roll out of control. He had to make his way back to the cockpit and stabilize the plane so he could get out. That's why he was not with the others.
    I am trying to get all the info on the 60 plus B-24's and crews of the 454th BG 738th BS. So little out there and all of you guys history deserves to be preserved and shared with future generations. My friend who passed away years ago was S/Sgt. Jack Denton Gray - Tail Gunner for Mr. Millington's plane Miss Polly/Tuff Nut Tessie. Wished I'd started this while Mr. Jack was alive. I have his POW letters and when He served I have to go through along with photos of the B-24H.
    Merry Christmas and I pray for a Happy New Year for 2017!!!
    Randy Morgan
     
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  11. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Appears to me he was playing with them. Said he was from Italy but looks like he said he was from Schenectady (New York)! Maybe his family was originally from Italy.

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  12. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    Very Interesting and Thank you. The town in Italy he told them he was from can you make that out? Also thank you for your service and sacrifices! Mr. Millington's son told me his Dad and copilot were the last two out. The copilot bailed out and about time Mr. Millington was going to jump the plane started to roll out of control. He had to make his way back to the cockpit and stabilize the plane so he could get out. That's why he was not with the others.
    I am trying to get all the info on the 60 plus B-24's and crews of the 454th BG 738th BS. So little out there and all of you guys history deserves to be preserved and shared with future generations. My friend who passed away years ago was S/Sgt. Jack Denton Gray - Tail Gunner for Mr. Millington's plane Miss Polly/Tuff Nut Tessie. Wished I'd started this while Mr. Jack was alive. I have his POW letters and when He served I have to go through along with photos of the B-24H.
    Merry Christmas and I pray for a Happy New Year for 2017!!!
    Randy Morgan
     
  13. Randy Morgan

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  14. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    Yep, Smart Man!
     
  15. Randy Morgan

    Randy Morgan Member

    On the first line of the second page says, Pilot believes he landed in an area around (Ponoral????), what is the correct word and what is it near on the boarder of Albania? Can't quiet make it out what the word is. Both pages are excellent documents!!!!!! Thank You!!! Randy
     
  16. Milos

    Milos Member

    Ponoral and other place I could not find on map and they are probably misspelled.
     
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  17. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Agree, probably a mis-spelling. If you google Ponoral you will get a full page of porn listings. Google maps shows a town of Ponor in Romania which could be what we are looking for.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/P...d2cd4270371119e!8m2!3d46.3360234!4d23.3983188

    There is a map in MACR 5067 for 41-29246 which was Millington's a/c but it is not marked with any useful info other than Lat and Long, can't make out the town name.
    Doesn't say if this was the target or if this was where Millington's a/c was last seen.




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  18. RSwank

    RSwank Well-Known Member

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  19. Milos

    Milos Member

    No, not in Romania.
    River Drim is mentioned, so it is definitely in North Albania, possible near border in Yugoslavia.
    Since airmen avoided Germans, they went to some small villages, so they are probably misspelled small villages.
     
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