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44-24185 Davis, Harley L 94FS 1FG 15AF Crashed, Verona L

Discussion in '1st FG' started by Diego Vezzoli, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. Diego Vezzoli

    Diego Vezzoli New Member

    Dear Friends,
    i need info about this pilot, pictures and macr if possible.

    28-Apr-45
    44-24185
    Lockheed P-38L-1-LO Lightning
    Davis, Harley L 94FS 1FG 15AF
    Crashed, Verona Lake/ 1/2mi N, Adriatic Sea
    Thank You


    Diego Vezzoli
    Aircrashpo
     
  2. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    There does not appear to be a MACR on this incident, but rather an Accident Report. Seems same aircraft had been in an earlier landing accident with a different pilot. See attached.



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  3. Diego Vezzoli

    Diego Vezzoli New Member

    yes, i saw the past accident. This last, the plane crashed in the lake
     
  4. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

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  5. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Scott,

    Think he probably survived the accident, think AAIR uses a different 'action' code when there is a death.
     
  6. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Feb 14, 2017
  7. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    article
     

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  8. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

  9. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

  10. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Alright, it is agreed that Harley L Davis is a common name, and our pilot is still missing to us.

    Additionally troubling for this incident is the crash location as described (Verona Lake, half mile north, Adriatic Sea). First there is no Verona Lake (that I can find) this close to the Adriatic or anywhere else in Italy. There is the City of Verona 65 miles / 105 km inland from the coast (still no lake by this name) but there is a large lake Garda 13 miles / 21 km further west from Verona.

    Other facts of record, none of which helps Diego with his original question but there is more wrong here than our missing pilot. The 1st FG on this date was based out of Lesina Airfield http://www.forgottenairfields.com/italy/apulia/foggia/lesina-s565.html in southern Italy part of the Foggia Complex. As of this date the City of Verona was on or near the front lines of battle. If this was the actual crash location it is about 334 miles / 538 km northwest of their base. Nothing unusual about this range for a P-38 other than there were other Fighter Groups closer to this Verona area, and the weather.

    According to the USAAF chronology for this date the weather was so bad nearly everything across the ETO, and MTO was grounded.
    SATURDAY, 28 APRIL 1945
    EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO)
    TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Ninth Air Force): Weather prevents all Ninth AF combat operations. Unit moves in Germany: HQ 10th Photographic Group (Reconnaissance) and 12th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron from Ober Olm to Furth with F-6s; 493d Fighter Squadron, 48th Fighter Group, from Kassel to Illesheim with P-47s.
    MEDITERRANEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (MTO)
    STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Fifteenth Air Force): Continued bad weather cancels heavy bomber operations and limits fighters to escort and weather reconnaissance missions.
    TACTICAL OPERATIONS (Twelfth Air Force): Weather severely curtails operations. In Italy, XXII Tactical Air Command fighters and fighter-bombers, flying 100+ sorties, hit enemy movement in the battle area at several points from S of Piacenza to NW of Milan; medium bombers are grounded.

    At the time 1st FG was assigned to the 305th Bombardment Wing; Fifteenth Air Force (escort duty) so should have been grounded with the bombers.

    Diego,
    Can you help with this crash site location and details? Sorry we have failed to further identify your pilot. Have you ordered the accident report yet?

    Scott
     

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  11. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Actually Lake Garda may not be so off base. We stayed in a hotel on the lake a few years ago that was supposedly used by the Gestapo during the war. Road signs there are still in German. A friend who was a B-26 pilot in the 17th BG told me that they routinely tried to blow the dam at the base of the lake using skip bombing techniques but never quite got it done. Supposedly there are a number of aircraft at the bottom of the lake, it is pretty deep. But it is quite a ways from the Adriatic.

    Agree, we need better information, the Accident Report should provide some answers.
     
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  12. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    With Diego's first post I did not realize he represents an Italian aircraft crash research group, see http://www.aircrashpo.com/index.htm a well structured website. Their mission is investigation of the air war over northern Italy specializing in the Po Valley between July 1944 and April 1945.

    The Po Valley or Padan Plain, Italy is the research area of Aircrashpo
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