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Discussion in '92nd BG - Podington' started by Genesatoria, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. Genesatoria

    Genesatoria New Member


    Request for help for French friends (Jean-Marc Simons).

    Delivered Cheyenne 29/5/44; Kearney 8/6/44; Dow Fd 27/6/44; Assigned 326BS / 92BG [JW-S] Podington, PFF, 16/7/44; Dave Vance, Bombardier: Tom Crosby, Flight engineer / top turret gunner: Tom Nickols, Radio Operator: Frank Vondrich, Ball turret Gunner: Ray Thompson, Tail Gunner: Jim Sands (8 Killed in Action); Waist gunner: Max Hartline (Returned to Duty); Flak, crashed St Claire-de-Halouze, SW of Flers, near Evreux, Fr; Missing Air Crew Report 8078. SCRAPPY MIKE.

    We're looking for a picture of the crew or the plane.

    A big thank you for your help.


    Link without success:
  2. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the AAF forum Geneastoria.

    Your description is missing some detail, Osborne's Fort Log for this ship.

    43-37848 Del Cheyenne 29/5/44; Kearney 8/6/44; Dow Fd 27/6/44; Ass 326BS/92BG [JW-S] Podington 19/7/44; MIA Battle support area 13/8/44 w/Larry Brechbill, Ray Schultz, Dave Vance, Tom Crosby, Tom Nickols, Frank Vondrich, Ray Thompson, Jim Sands (8KIA); Max Hartline (POW); flak, cr Evreux, Fr; MACR 8078. SCRAPPY MIKE.

    So the search is for the 2nd Lt Lawrence "Larry" M. Brechbill Crew (photo), is that correct? He is here http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=41445848

    Mission detail here https://www.facebook.com/groups/290301027652024/permalink/1419524788062970/ you might also ask there if they have a crew or aircraft photo.

    Hmm, looks like someone has already contacted the 92BG: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.1577193638962750&type=1
    Jean Marc Bebert
    Translated from French
    Awesome Photos I took the liberty of the recovered to put in the folder that I get to make a deposit of wreath next year at Saint Clair of the halouze thank you

    S/SGT Thomas O. Nichols (Brechbill Crew) Plot C Row 4 Grave 3 Normandy American Cemetery https://www.abmc.gov/node/545080#.WHKER1yHP1E
    SSGT Thomas O. Nichols Brechbill Crew.jpg

    Also Brechbill Crew Memorial http://www.uswarmemorials.org/html/monument_details.php?SiteID=890&MemID=1198
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2017
  3. terveurn

    terveurn Active Member

    As far as I know a photo of this ship has not appeared

    attached is a copy of her history

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  4. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Outstanding data as always! If you've not found a photo it probably does not exist (yet?). The original request here was simply for a picture of the crew or the plane so all of this offers more than requested or maybe wanted.

    Not an easy search for me as this MACR 8078 is not offered on fold3 by number or aircraft s/n. The one hope here was the lone survivor as you noted in your crew box Sgt Maxwell David Hartline, ASN 39917230, NARA enlistment page https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record...tf=F&q=39917230&bc=sd&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=8192268

    The original posters (OP) findagrave page for T/SGT Frank Vondrich http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=142656879 also leads to the pages for 7 of the other crew members KIA. This page further states Sgt Hartline (without naming him) evaded rather than becoming a POW. This in either case, with my meager skills is unsubstantiated not finding a POW or E&E Report via NARA.

    In any-event Sgt Hartline folded his wings 15 October 1994 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=126596083 still no crew photo or even an individual one but does offer further family info if the OP wishes to search that route for a photo.

    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    Je ne sais pas où l'on doit se présenter dans ce Forum mais je tiens à vous remercier pour ce que vous faite. Je fais parti d'un groupe d'amis qui avons ouvert un musée de l'aviation dont les crashs on eu lieu en Normandie plus particulièrement l'Orne département 61. Tous les ans nous venons une sortie pour honoré quelques pilotes voir un équipage de gros porteur. En cette année 2017 nous avons proposé de rendre hommage à l'équipage du SCRAPPY MIKE. Nous possédons une partie de l'avion il s'agit d'un morceau de l'aile et de la gouverne.
    L'avion et le 43-37848 Je possède une photo du lieutenant Crosby mais j'attend une vrai confirmation.
    J'ai cherché partout sur le net et je n'ai pas grand chose
    je compte sur vous pour votre aide je vais essayé de vous mettre les photos Merci Beaucoup
    Jean Marc
    Lt Crosby
    et la gouverne de l'avion
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    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member


    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    crosby.jpg crosby.jpg crosby.jpg
    Jean Marc

    Ne parlant pas l'anglais et ne comprenant pas comment marche votre Forum. Je vous ai envoyé un message de présentation mais je ne sais plus où il est passé de plus je voulais vous mettre des photos et je n'y arrive pas c'est dommage car elles font parti de l'avion B17 43-37848
    Expliquez moi comment faire et Merci pour votre aide
    Jean Marc gouverne.JPG
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    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    Je vous fais parvenir les photos
    Du Lt Crosby mais j'attends confirmation d'un membre de sa famille
    et la gouverne de l'avion SCRAPPY MIKE
    Nous possédons aussi un morceau de l'aile mais il doit être nettoyé avant
    J'espère que cela vous fera plaisir
    et si vous possédez une photo de l'équipage car moi je ne trouve pas
    Merci d'avance
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  9. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    The Universal translator is presently down, darned American devises.
    Post #5
    Good evening
    I do not know where to go in this Forum but I want to thank you for what you do. I am part of a group of friends who opened an aviation museum whose crashes took place in Normandy especially Orne department 61. Every year we come an exit to honor some pilots see a crew of jumbo. In this year 2017 we proposed to pay tribute to the crew of SCRAPPY MIKE. We own part of the plane this is a piece of wing and rudder.
    The plane and 43-37848 I have a picture of Lieutenant Crosby but I'm waiting for a real confirmation.
    I have searched all over the net and I do not have much
    I count on you for your help I will try to put you the pictures Thank you Much
    Jean Marc
    Lt Crosby
    And the control of the aircraft

    Post #7 (with photos)
    Jean Marc
    Not speaking English and not understanding how your forum works. I sent you a message of presentation but I do not know where it went anymore I wanted to put pictures and I can not do it is too bad because they are part of the plane B17 43-37848
    Explain me how and thanks for your help
    Jean Marc

    Post #8
    I send you the pictures
    From Lt Crosby but I await confirmation from a member of his family
    And the control of the plane SCRAPPY MIKE
    We also have a piece of the wing but it must be cleaned before
    I hope you enjoy it
    And if you own a picture of the crew because I do not find
    thank you in advance

    End translation/Fin de la traduction.

    Thank you very much, Jean Marc/Merci beaucoup, Jean Marc.
    Few of our members here read French, I know another sad fact of American ignorance. Your contribution and photographs are much appreciated./
    Peu de nos membres ici lisent le français, je connais un autre triste fait de l'ignorance américaine. Votre contribution et vos photos sont très appréciées.

    translation provided via/traduction fournie via https://translate.google.com/

    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017
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  10. Raphaël

    Raphaël Member

    Hello Jean Marc ,.
    Bienvenue sur le site , je suis Belge Francophone , j'ai des difficultés en Anglais , mais j'essaye de me débrouiller .
    Je veus bien essayer de t'aider si tu as des difficultés sur le site .
    Je te contacterais en message privé si tu veus .
    Amitiés de Belgique .
    Raphaël .

    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    Bonsoir Raphaël
    C'est super sympa de me proposé de m'aider, je te recontacterai pour m'aider avec les autres membres du Forum.
    Jean Marc
    voici mon adresse internet JEANMARCBEBERT@AOL.COM
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    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    Il est évident que si à mon tour je peux vous aider ainsi que les membres du musée de l'aviation de Couterne dont je vous fait parvenir notre affiche.
    Nous sommes prêts aussi à vous aider
    Jean Marc

    Attached Files:

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  13. terveurn

    terveurn Active Member

    Bonjour Jean Marc

    Est-ce que cela fait partie de 43-37848 exposé dans un musée. Si oui, où est ce musée?
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  14. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Jean Marc, is this your web site?/Merci Jean Marc, est-ce votre site web?

    Jean Marc,
    Aucune offense prévue cependant ceci est un forum anglais / de lecture principalement anglais. Je fais de mon mieux ici pour être bilingue pour le bénéfice de tous. Une tentative par vous de faire la même chose ferait un long chemin vers votre contibutions étant excepté sur ce forum.

    C'est tout simplement mon opinion personnelle, s'il vous plaît procéder comme vous le souhaitez. Les programmes de traduction tels que Google Translate laissent beaucoup à désirer dans la conversion de struture de phrase, mais il est lisible. Mieux que les membres du forum AAF ignorer votre message parce qu'ils ne lisent pas le français et n'ont pas de patients à traduire pour vous.

    Edit/update reverse translation of above so Jean Marc post below is understood. Perhaps I should have remained quiet.
    Jean Marc,
    No offense provided however this is a primarily English / reading English forum. I do my best here to be bilingual for the benefit of all. An attempt by you to do the same would make a long way towards your contibutions being accepted on this forum.

    This is simply my personal opinion, please proceed as you wish. Translation programs such as Google Translate leave a lot to be desired in the phrase conversion, but it is readable. Better than AAF forum members ignore your message because they do not read French and have no patients to translate for you.

    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017

    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    I'm sorry, I'm not going to bother you any more. I understand that you can not read me.
    I will stop writing here.
    All my excuses
    Jean Marc
    Here is the address of my blog if you want to go there to do a tour
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  16. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Well you certainly translated that message loud and clear! Sorry you feel that way, this was not my desire or intent, which was for the majority of members on this forum to be able to read your posts without running them thru a translator first. If the situation was reversed you would demand the same. Here is your link so those who wish can follow you http://charmanetoverlord.skyrock.com/
    Be well,
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    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    Excuse me, I thought you were wrong because I was writing in French.
    So I apologize I would take Google Translate to write on this Forum.
    Really sorry for this slip.

    Here I am before one of the last char tigre visible in France 27.JPG
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  18. Raphaël

    Raphaël Member

    Congratulations for your researches and your blog concerning all events of the war in your region , there are reports very interesting concerning the crashes of planes .
    I would want your attention on a question of Teveurn in the comment 13 of this post .
    I'll contact you on your adress mail .
    Greetings .

    Félicitations pour vos recherches et votre blog concernant tous les événements de la guerre dans votre région , il y a des reportages très intéressant concernant les crashs d'avions .
    Je voudrais vous attirer l'attention concernant une question de Teveurn dans le commentaires 13 de ce post .
    Je vous contacterais à votre adresse mail .
    Amitiés .

    Raphaël .
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    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    Good evening everyone,
    I come to give you news of my research, after hours spent searching I could have the MACR 8078 and I recovered it more I got in contact with the niece of the pilot who will send me in A package of things that belonged to his uncle Lieutenant Lawrence M Brechbill, he was also the pilot of the B17. And perhaps also the famous picture of the crew of the "Scrappy Mike".
    Thank you all for your help
    Jean Marc
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    JEAN MARC SIMON New Member

    ThomasWCrosby.jpg Photo de Thomas Wesley " Tom" Crosby qui faisait parti de l'équipage du "Scrappy Mike"
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