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Discussion in '397th BG' started by Stan McLeod, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. Stan McLeod

    Stan McLeod New Member

    Elisabethville POW Jun44 photo
     
  2. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the AAF forum Stan.
    Are you referring to this incident? http://www.seconde-guerre-mondiale.com/pow-elisabethville-historical-research.htm & http://www.seconde-guerre-mondiale.com/pow-elisabethville.htm

    The 20 page MACR 6199 for B-26B-55-MA-42-96121 starts here on fold3 https://www.fold3.com/image/29400250 page 3 attached. 4 POW, 2 Evaded.
    2nd Lt William E. Giffhorn, O-747691, bombardier, E&E Report 1170 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/5555806
    Sgt William F Koenig, ASN: 19147442, gunner, E&E Report 1146 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/5555783


    Also, there is a 397BG forum for threads about that group here http://www.forum.armyairforces.com/forums/397th-bg.214/
     

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  3. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Yes, welcome Stan. Is there a specific question behind your initial post? We could be a lot more helpful if we knew exactly what you were trying to learn and what resources you have already consulted.
     
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  4. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Freal Charles Knox
     

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  5. Airwar

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  7. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    And like Hal asked why are we here? In short, Stan is the son of Lt. Col. Robert M. McLeod, CO 596BS, 397thBG and pilot of Marauder "Dee Feater" B-26B-55-MA-42-96142

    Featured and cited here http://www.markstyling.com/b26s.07.htm (nice click close-up of nose available)
    42-96142.jpg

    Maj. Robert McLead, 397BG.jpg
    Photo courtesy http://www.atterburybakalarairmuseum.org/wwii-years.html

    These airmen were under his command.
    1st Lt Freal C Knox, O-684353, (P), POW
    2nd Lt Ossian A Seipel, O695772 (CP), POW
    Sgt James W Mellody 18178493, (EG), POW
    Sgt Norman C Edwards, 33558570, (RO), POW
    Sgt Jerome Ornstein, 36736362, (Photo), POW
     
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  8. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Remember Forum member Alf Johannessen who used Deefeater as his screen name.




    dee feater  42-96142.jpg
     
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  9. Airwar

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  10. Lucky Partners

    Lucky Partners Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting that Jaap. Alf was very helpful to me when I was researching the 17th BG for a friend. He generously shared his knowledge regarding the B-26 anytime questions arose on the old Forum. Agree, he left us much too soon. RIP Alf.
     
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  13. Mutley

    Mutley Member

    I can confirm that Robert M. McLeod is the second from left, with the flak suit, and helmet in his left hand.

    Although I do recognize the other faces I cannot currently place their names and faces together properly.

    There is a picture similar to this, but with a 7 man crew showing, in the "The 397th Bomb Group (M) Bridge Busters..." book produced in 1946 and edited by Henry C. Beck, Jr., and I have 'Paul Elliott' listed as the man on the right.

    Entry #7 above states that the crewmen shown were under his (R.M. McLeod's!?) command. This is incorrect. These crewmen were in the 597th BS and R. M. McLeod was the 596th BS commander! The connection is the aircraft, 42-96121, coded 9F*V, which is believed to have been Named "Our Darling"; and MACR, #6199; associated with it, as linked with the picture that is the subject in the first post. I currently cannot find the information that had been exchanged about that picture, and the conclusions that have been drawn as to who that man being led away was, but believe that this may be accurately shown on the French website!

    I just took a look at the French Website and am happy that what is shown there is correct. It doesn't seem like 7 years ago that we were working on that however!! Back to the other 49,993, plus, people that I am working on!! (Yes that's 50,000 plus, less the 7 man crew shown for that aircraft!!).

    Also people may like to note that the colour pictures of Dee-Feater are actually copyright of the Charles E. Brown collection at the RAF Museum, Hendon, England., but are often used without that consideration. The colour pictures form a part of the much larger collection, which was taken over the area bounded roughly by Chelmsford, Colchester, and the Suffolk border area near to the West of Sudbury. The set comprises of about 20 mainly Black and White pictures, with many of the background features known from extensive research!! One of those pictures even shows 'Dee-Feater' flying straight and level, with one engine stopped and the propeller feathered!!It is said that the chase plane for those pictures was the 598th BS commander, Franklin Allen's, "Seawolf II", ASN 42-96129, coded U2*A; and that Peyton Magruder was on board, but I have not seen conclusive proof about this, just a reasonably good write-up, attributed to R. M. McLeod! There in lays a problem! "Seawolf II" was lost on the 7th July 1944, and a picture of the 3 squadron commanders from the 397th BG, who were all of class 40A, along with Peyton Magruder, can be proved to be of "Seawolf III", ASN 43-34125, coded U2*T, which carried the Azon Radio guided bomb equipment and it's three associated radio antennae! The date of that groupings photo is also unclear, and has been said to be various dates between late July and early August!! Research is SUCH fun!!!
     
  14. Capt. Jim Albert

    Capt. Jim Albert New Member

    I have searched and searched the Internet, and the numerous B-26 Marauder sites, to locate anyone who may have known or flown with my uncle, SSGT Vito Portanova (aerial gunner/engineer), between 30 May 1944 and the day his B-26 Marauder, Miss Furie, was shot down on the first day of the Battle of the Bulge (23 December 1944). I was finally successful in finding his co-pilot, Lt. Ernie Lutz (96), who flew with my uncle on the Bar Fly in England before being sent back to the states 2 days before the beginning of the Bulge. His co-pilot was replaced by Lt. Bob Altman who survived the crash and was taken as a POW. He passed away before I could contact him.

    If there is anyone on this site who may have known him or knows someone who did, I would be grateful to know.
     
  15. 25Kingman49

    25Kingman49 Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the AAF forum Jim.

    It likely would have been better to start your own thread here http://www.forum.armyairforces.com/forums/397th-bg.214/ but here we are. It appears you already have a good amount of detail.

    For other members wishing to help this is about the loss of B-26B-55-MA-42-96182. Joe Baugher http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1942_5.html
    (397th BG, 599th BS, 9th AF) shot down by Fw 190A-8 flown by unknown pilot of JG 11 Dec 23, 1944 and crashed at Udersdorf, Germany. MACR 11487. 5 crew killed, one bailed out and became POW.

    MACR 11487, 15 pages (very poor light print quality) is available starting here https://www.fold3.com/image/46701964 for those with fold3 access.

    Findagrave S/SGT Vito Portanova https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56062992 (with crew photo courtesy Capt. Jim)
    56062992_1434458030.jpg
     
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  16. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    some articles about Ernie Lutz
     

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  19. Airwar

    Airwar Well-Known Member

    Jim,three of this crew were murdered by the Germans.Lt.Altman and Sgt's Celeste,Swenson and Carino were captured at Tittscheid.
    Altman was brought in an army-car to a POW collecting point. He survived. The other three were murdered near Daun,Germany.
     
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