Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (1stnDebt)

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:53:24 GMT

41-7555
P-38F-1-LO
DEAR JOHN ( Maj. Ed S.E. Newbury)
Newbury, Edward S.E., Maj.
27th Fighter Squadron
1st Fighter Group 12AF
430201 MIA

Terence

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (1stnDebt)

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:29:23 GMT

RE:41-7544 from my P-38 database

41-7544
P-38F-1-LO
Sqd Code "LM"
Collier, Thomas I., 2nd.Lt.(O-752105). /KIA
71st Fighter Squadron
1st Fighter Group
15AF
440210
Bolero

Summary of loss:Departed AAF Sta Foggia #3, Italy on a dive-bombing & strafing mission to Monteratondo. Hit by own bomb-blast which sheared off tail-boom, plane spun-in. ;

History card
Rec 4/27/42
March AAF, CA (1FG) 5/4/42
Mines Field, CA 5/15/42;
Bangor AAF, ME 5/27-29/42;
P-38E, redesignated P-38F-1 6/27/42

Terence

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (1stnDebt)

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:23:23 GMT

41-7547 <- aircraft history card
US Army Order Rec 4/18/42;
Long BeachAAF(Ferry Cmd) March - 4/20/42;
Long BeachAAF 4/23/42;
March (1FG) 5/3/42;
Muroc 5/15/42;
Mines (82FG) 5/30/42;
Wrecked, 7/7/42, Los Angeles, fuel exhuastion (S/Sgt. Charles R. Langdon):
Condemned 8/21/42;
Sacramento Air Depot Survey voucher 8/27/42;
Voucher approved 12/4/42 for condemned

Terence

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (Alex Smart)

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:43:48 GMT

Hello Terrence,
Your reply is welcome.
And opens the conversation on "Dear John" again.
As you must be aware the details you have given on 41-7547 (above post) are not as far as I am aware available on line ( Joe Baughers site does not list deails on this a/c).
The book that I quoted "An Escort of P-38's" page 92.
shows: "Dear John"
US Army P-38F
Air Corps Ser; 41-7547
With the names:
Newbury,Brendon,Abbott Emery and Coute.
The book only gives the photo sorce as "Ilfrey".
Sadly does not give details of where the photo was taken.
The photo of the other P-38 with similar scoreboard shows the number which to me reads "7163" but I would accept that the 6 and 3 both may be another faded number. However the number 7163 would I think make it Air Force Serial number 42-12729, the a/c in this photo has caption that it is a 1st FG, 27th FS a/c. The Air Force Serial is visible and perhaps could be enlarged and confirmed by someone cleverer than me. Photo sorce is given as "USAF".
Of note the Joe baugher site does give us "Dear John" as being 41-7544.
"41-7544 Lockheed P-38F-1-LO Lightning
1st FG 27th FS "Dear John" HV-X lost 10 Feb 10, 1944. Pilot was killed when he was caught in bomb
explosion during a dive bombing run near Rome. MACR 2214
".
From MACR; Pilot 2Lt. Thomas I. Collier, KIA 10th February 1944, 71st FS.
All for now
Alex

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (1stnDebt)

Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:25:31 GMT

41-7547 was lost in the states at Mines Field (LAX) 21 Aug 1942

Terence

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (KAKI3152)

Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:46:20 GMT

Alex, I'm away from my reference material, but I'll take a look later.

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (Alex Smart)

Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:00:20 GMT

Hello,
"Dear John" is shown on page 92 of "An Escort of P-38's".
Pilot's name on 41-7547 is seen to have been the then Capt.Edward Newbury.Crew were: Brendon,Abbott Emery and Coute.
Perhaps it is one of his later a/c. As you say the format is very alike but no ship shown on second a/c. Maybe the artwork was from the same brush ?
Can any of the crew in the later photo be ID'd from the names in the earlier one, are they three of the same men ?
Alex

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (KAKI3152)

Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:28:53 GMT

Thanks Alex.
There is a similar photograph of another P-38F/G of the 27th FS in the 1st FG History called "Dear John" with a very similar listing of missions and also has three victories.

Re:Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (Alex Smart)

Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:52:40 GMT

Hello,
This picture is from the Aircam Aviation Series No:10 Lockheed P-38 Lightning in USAAF-French-Italian-Chinese Nationalist Service.
Caption says 1st FG, 27th FS in Italy. 3 Swastikas, 89 escort missions and 45 Bombing missions.
From the Lockheed number on the nose which I beleive to be "7163" makes it AAF P-38G-1 42-12729.
Alex

Identity of P-38F/G 27th FS (KAKI3152)

Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:06:58 GMT

Can anyone identify this aircraft? Similar to "Dear John" but a comparison of photographs leads me to believe this is another airplane.