Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (eagle0025)

Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:47:10 GMT

Marc,

You can do me a favor. I do know the crash site locations for Rubel and Frederick. This is the first I have seen of the crash sites for Ernst and Maximow. I would appreciate it if you could send me a map pinpointing all four crash sites based on your research. I can use this information to further refine my research for this battle. Send me a PM and I can provide my email address for you. I can also provide JC Clouet's email as well.

A+, Gary

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (LIL HAM 3)

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:49:01 GMT

Bonjour Marc,

Félicitations pour vos recherches sur ces deux pilotes du 428th squadron.
Si celà peut vous aider, à moins que vous ne les ayiez déjà, voici les photos de Robert J.RUBEL et James . FREDERICK .

A+ Jean-luc ( Association Forced Landing - 28110 Lucé , France)

Robert RUBEL ( photo de gauche )
James FREDERICK ( photo de DROITE )

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (Marc_91)

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:30:57 GMT

Many Thanks Gary,

Roger just wrote me he will connect him directly.

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (eagle0025)

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:08:31 GMT

Bonjour Marc,

You are correct in that the two 428th FS pilots shot down were Bob Rubel and James Frederick. My good friend, Bob Milliken (429th FS), was the one who shot down Ernst. I have a very good friend who knows this fight very well. His name is Jean Claude Clouet and he lives in Montmerrei. You should get with him for more details.

A+, Gary Koch (474th FG Chief Historian)

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (Marc_91)

Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:42:24 GMT

Good Morning,

Firstly, my friend Roger and I, we would like to thank again Jaap (Airwar) for his great help !!!

Please find below a map of the location of the wrecks of the airplanes shot down during the fight between 2 Fw-190 of the 9./JG77 and at least 4 pilots of the 428th FS. It appeared it was a confusion in the MACR between Mortree and Nogent-le-Rotrou ... :

1 - 1st Lt (or 2nd Lt ?) James S. Frederick Jr - P-38J #42-104224 - Roger have the testimony of Mr Frankaert who hided him in the Mortree aera,
2 - 2nd Lt Robert J. Rubel - P-38J #42-67515 - KIA - There is a small monument dedicated to him in Montmerrei,
3 - Uffz. Hans-Bruno Maximow 9.JG.77 - FW-190 Werk Number 731094 , white 232 - buried in his aircraft,
4 - Oberleutnant Wolfgang Ernst - StaffelKapitan 9.JG.77 - FW-190 Werk Number 350151, white 231 - he bailed out but was wounded ...

Have a good Sunday ... Marc & Roger

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (airwar)

Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:57 GMT

Marc,

Maybe it was Lt.Frederick,474 FG/ 428 FS,42-104224,crashed vicinity Nogent,France ?

Jaap

Re:Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (airwar)

Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:29:28 GMT

Marc,

2/Lt.Bernard B.Jacobs,474 FG/ 430 FS,P-38J 42-67470,crashed 6th July 1944 at 09.20 hours
near Pont de Brave,France.

42-104224,P-38J,6th July 1944,474 FG,no other details.

I will send you the MACR of Jacobs,send me a PM with your mailadres,

regards,Jaap

Pilots shot down July 6th, 1944 (Marc_91)

Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:54:35 GMT

Good Morning from France,

I am looking for the name of the pilots of P-38 of the 428th FS who were shot down near Mortree,
in Normandy, in the afternoon of 7-6-1944 ...

One of my friends found the wreck of one of the 2 FW-190 that were shot down this day :
- Uffz. Hans-Bruno Maximow (see him page http://www.luftwaffe.be/miajg77.html ),
- His StaffelKapitan : Oberleutnant Wolfgang Ernst (FW-190 Werk Number 350151, white 231) ;

Location of the wreck is :

According to the database of this website, 3 P-38 of the 474th FG were lost this day :
- 42-67470 MACR 6655
- 42-67515 MACR 6654 (flown by 2nd Lt Robert Rubel, KIA)
- 42-104224 MACR 6656

We have datas about 2nd Lt Robert Rubel, but we are looking for information about the others pilots ...

Any details of the fight, if you have, will be geatly appreciated, to !!!

Many thanks in advance ... Marc