http://forum.armyairforces.com/(c) ArmyAirForces30Does anyone have any data on the crew that was on "Cultured Vulture" when it crashed? Is there any documentation on who the crew members were and their fate? My dad moved off this plane about 6 months before it crashed but whttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162939Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:16:14 GMTTo: rhcraft41 In reply to your message about 97th Bomb Group Missions. I have a copy of a history of the 97th Bomb Group titled "The Hour Has Come" by Thomas F. Gulley. This describes most of the 97th's missions. If you could send me your namhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162787Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:27:31 GMTOver 2 years later still searching..... Paulhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162756Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:59:09 GMTHello this is the fate of B-17F-50-DL, 42-3362 "Cultured Vulture" MACR datas from Footnote, fate from Freeman's "FF Story" all the best Hartmuthttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162632Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:04:09 GMTThe 97th Bombardment Group is now the 97th Operations Group. Its fact sheet is at http://www.afhra.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=9855 The bestowal of its honorhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162527Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:00:16 GMTIn addition the the information David gave you the 97th is an Air Mobility Wing and is authorized to display the honors bestowed upon the WW-II group. See... http://www.afhra.af.http://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162497Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:23:32 GMTB-17F-DL (manufactured by Douglas) 42-3362 is the one you are looking for. I checked my copy of the Wallace Forman book "B-17 Nose Art Name Directory" and it lists "Cultured Vulture", but he didn't have a photo of it. This B-17 was trahttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162496Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:10:21 GMTI am looking for information on the 97th bomb group during WW2 in Africa and Italy. My dad Jim Collier served on a B17 in this group in these areas. I would also like any photos of a B17 named the Cultured Vulture. &nbshttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162495Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:31:14 GMTRe: # 44 - 8248 " Dottie " 414th Sq. PFF B - 17 Pilot - Major George Albine Crew Bailed - POW Empty B - 17 continued into Swiss Airspace , shot down It appears a SQ 340 crew was flying a SQ 414 ship whttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162450Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:13:27 GMTEmail would be just fine. And, now that I'm into all this, be assured I'm not going anywhere, ha! So, I'll look forward to the photo whenever you are able to go! Best to you! Pamhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162449Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:12:09 GMTLt. Ewart Sconiers was the bombardier aboard the Johnny Reb Aug. 21, 1942 and on the Johnny Reb Jr. for the Lorient Raid of Oct. 21, 1942. He was taken captive after the Oct. 21 mission and ultimately held in Stalag Luft III until his death Jan. 24http://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162415Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:15:37 GMTI am the niece of Lt. Ewart T. Sconiers who is the subject of "info on Ewart T. Sconiers" thread herein. His remains were never confirmed or brought home; however, his case has been reopened. There are many new clues that he may be buried in a cemetehttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162404Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:38:03 GMTMike..I think your statement that a PFF aircraft would have flown with ANY squadron needs a little explaining....it was true that at the onset of the PFF aircraft, that it could, and would have flown with ANY squadron, and at one time, it could have flowhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162357Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:27:08 GMTMike and Jim--Thanks for your patience, I am a novice to this Board and somewhat new to this subject, but am looking forward to a quick immersion. The plot is definitely thickening. This was a Lead Crew and MAY have been piloted byhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162355Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:31:42 GMTHarry - Keep in Mind that # 44 - 8248 was a PFF B - 17 and although it was a 414th Sq. A/C it would have flown with any Squadron and Lead Crew as needed. It was not uncommon for Lead Crews from different Squadrons to fly in other Squadhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162352Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:11:04 GMTMike, Do you think these crews could have been reversed? Waist Gunner Beavers flew with Albine and the other crewmen as named---however he was in 340 and not 414. Albine, Beavers and crew did bomb Augsburg and lost #2 engine, taken POW etc.,http://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162311Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:49:27 GMTHarry - 97th BG Lost 2 This Date # 44 - 8248 " Dottie " 414th Sq. PFF B - 17 Pilot - Major George Albine Crew Bailed - POW Empty B - 17 continued into Swiss Airspace , shot down by Swiss Fighters. MACR # 12515 # 44http://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162308Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:39:06 GMTI am researching B-17 lost 27Feb45 97BG 340SQD. Crew as I have it was Albine, Campbell, Bolton, Martin, Smith, Cullez Iccasson, Zarmend, Beavers, and Atkins. I have seen conflicting info on this Board---some of which is very close to my info,http://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162299Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:09:33 GMT Dear Sebastiaan, Thank you so much for responding! I would LOVE for you to take a photo for me!!! Please keep my mailing address handy for your next visit, and I will happily reimburse you for associated costs. Myhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162249Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:45:57 GMTDear James, I sent you a separate email. These accounts are so graphic, and I am amazed that the soldiers' personal accounts were so well recorded. I have to declare, though, that as much as I am astounded by all the recent turn ofhttp://forum.armyairforces.com/fb.ashx?m=162076Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:51:26 GMT