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Paul

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Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:51 PM
I do not know if this is a military or civilian aircraft but thought I would post it here to see if anyone can ID it. I know the photo is poor. It is an extreeme enlargement of a photo I got in a collection of WW2 and experimental aircraft photos from a WW2 pilot instructor and factory test pilot.
 
The plane is a pusher with tricycle landing gear. It has 2 tail booms but only one vertical stabilizer in the center of the horizontal stabilizer.
 
It looks remotly like the Stout Skycar, but the tail is different.
 
Anybody know what it is?
 
Thanks,
Paul


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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:47 PM
It looks like the AeorCar--half airplane/half car and good at neither.
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:59 PM
Tony,
 
I do not think so. The Aerocar did not have twin tail booms. Another problem...the Aerocar was built in 1956 and none of the material in the lot I have dates to later than about 1949.
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:03 PM
Paul,  I went thru a limited series of pics from a few books I have in front of me this evening dealing with German/Japanese experimental aircraft (predominantly jet propulsion) with no luck.  Tony may be correct!  Just from the photo alone, I'm not sure I'd want to be the "test pilot!"  Best Regards!  Steven
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:18 PM
Paul:
Aero-Car was also highwing:
 

 
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:23 PM
Terry,  Good Evening from rainy Ann Arbor!  GREAT photo!  However, it is a poor imitation of the Davis "high-ratio" wing on our (my) beloved Lib!  Interesting photo.  Best Regards!  Steven
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:07 PM
Its a Hammond 'Y'.  Hammond of the later Stearman Hammond fame.
 
http://aerofiles.com/hammond.jpg
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:40 PM

ORIGINAL: Paul

Tony,

I do not think so. The Aerocar did not have twin tail booms. Another problem...the Aerocar was built in 1956 and none of the material in the lot I have dates to later than about 1949.

Paul

 
Yeah, Maybe not.  Just a guess from about a 10 second look at the thing.  I know one thing for sure--I would not hazard to fly that contraption. 
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:15 PM
see what happens when you drink..you invent this..
 

 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:49 AM
       Yes it is a Steaman-Hammond Y
   
          R.2676 had twin rudders  and was designated Y-1     This aircraft was purchased by the RAF from Dutch Airlanes KLM and was scapped in 1942 after evaluation.
     
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:11 AM
   The pictured aircraft predates the Stearman Hammond. 
 
 Stearman was sent to the Hammond Aircraft Corporation in Ypsilanti, Michigan to inspect the radical new Hammond Model Y airplane. Stearman approved of the design in general, but thought that it needed much improvement. This was another challenge that he could not resist. With Dean Hammond, Stearman formed the Stearman-Hammond Aircraft Corporation in San Francisco in late 1935. A complete new designed Stearman-Hammond model Y-125 soon resulted from this merger. The Y-125 had many innovative safety features and many rookie pilots soloed in the airplane with only a few hours training. A total of fifteen Stearman-Hammond airplanes were built and sold.
 
  Mr Hammond was very fortunate to have Mr Stearman's help, as Stearman took quite a bit of the 'ugly' out when he redesigned it.
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:50 AM
Thanks everyone. The image on the web page posted by taildragger85 is definately the aircraft. in fact, it may be THE very same aircraft. Notice the paint job on the vertical stabilizer. The registration number is 15151. That is identified in a list from aerofiles as 15151  Hammond Y-1 ?. And since that is a lower registration number than the Stearman-Hammond Y-1 (in the 15521-34 range) I am assuming the version I have with the single vertical stabilizer was the original Hammond Y-1 and when Stearman got involved they changed it to have a vertical stabilizer over each tail boom.
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:43 AM
On the topic of strange aircraft ... I was out at Kermit Weeks Museum at Tamiami Field one day years ago, before hurricane Andrew blew it away in '92.  Two guys came taxing up in this little micro jet.  Anybody know what it is?
 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:22 PM
Terry T,
 
I always thought the aircraft in your post didn't exist, that it was just a prop or clever filming by the producers of the cult film, Mad Max. Thanks for the lesson learned 
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RE: Need help to ID strange aircraft - Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:05 PM
Steve is correct, the production Y-1S was a very different plane. It was a safety plane with simple controls, so much so that the US Navy bought two for use as early radio controlled drones. Here is a photo of one new at the factory.
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