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12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 09:19:12 AM
Hi, 12 airmen POW's, what were their Units ? POW from 14th September1944. 2Lt. D.L. Dorney S/Sgt. A.L.Thompson 2Lt. R. Roehle 2Lt. J.F.Wilson T/Sgt. G.W. Fanning T/Sgt. L.L.Fogle 2Lt. T.C.Gajda S/Sgt. W.A. Glynn Cpl. W.Lewis 2Lt. H.C.Lina 2Lt. E.R.O'Hara S/Sgt. G.D.Patten Thanks Alex
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 12:01:01 PM
Alex, Dorney was a nav for the 767BS/461BG. I have an Edwin Robert O'Hara with the 882BS/500BG. Dave
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 01:07:50 PM
Hello Dave, Thanks for your reply. Your O'Hara is an Edwin R., the one I seek is Edward R. But I will now look at the 461st BG. Alex
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 02:09:51 PM
I found a few for you, ~Mark 2Lt. D.L. Dorney --- S/Sgt. A.L.Thompson Gunner 454th/738th 2Lt. R. Roehle Bomb. 376th/512th 2Lt. J.F.Wilson Nav. 485th/828th T/Sgt. G.W. Fanning Eng. 87th/414th T/Sgt. L.L.Fogle --- 2Lt. T.C.Gajda Bomb 376/514 S/Sgt. W.A. Glynn --- Cpl. W.Lewis --- 2Lt. H.C.Lina --- 2Lt. E.R.O'Hara Pilot 459th/758th S/Sgt. G.D.Patten Gunner 484th/?
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 02:33:05 PM
The men that are highlighted in Red above were all held at the same POW camp outside the city of Shumen, Bulgaria. They were all liberated as the Russians advanced on September 9th, 1944. This is a link to the POW camp being hosted by Bulgaria today. http://shumen-camp.info/names_english.html
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 02:57:39 PM
Hello Lascotte, Are you certain about the release date being 9th September 44 ? ABMC has these men as POW's from 14th September 44 if I understand it correctly? Alex
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 04:58:42 PM
Did you run their names through the footnote.com database, Hopefully I've added text in blue! 2Lt. D.L. Dorney --- MACR 8096 B-24 42-28681 461st BG S/Sgt. A.L.Thompson Gunner 454th/738th 2Lt. R. Roehle Bomb. 376th/512th 2Lt. J.F.Wilson Nav. 485th/828th T/Sgt. G.W. Fanning Eng. 87th/414th T/Sgt. L.L.Fogle --- MACR 7674 B-24 44-41047 98TH BOMB GROUP (AAF DATABASE DATED 10 AUGUST 1944?) 2Lt. T.C.Gajda Bomb 376/514 S/Sgt. W.A. Glynn --- Not checked Cpl. W.Lewis --- Not checked 2Lt. H.C.Lina --- MACR 7682 B-24 42-78229 484th BG 2Lt. E.R.O'Hara Pilot 459th/758th S/Sgt. G.D.Patten Gunner 484th/? MACR 8096 (With Next of Kin) Albert R Thompson Theodore E Thompson Cecil J Grayson Vesta R Grayson Dic L Dorney Zona M Dorney James P Wilson Lillie M Wilson T T Marville Violet M Marville Richard F Carter Beverly J Carter Robert G Swinehart Marjorie A Swinehart Frederick E Davis Charlie R Davis Christos Kardulas Eva Kardulas William H Mc Grady Eunice V Mc Grady Location: Yugoslavia Point Of Departure: Torretta Fld Italy MACR 7682: Daniel L Maus Joseph Prian James Sanders Harold C Lina William T Mullins John R Hawk Edmund L Pawloski Philip E Wagner Lester E Crouse Roland Nedbalec
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/24/2008 05:32:56 PM
ORIGINAL: Alex Smart Hello Lascotte, Are you certain about the release date being 9th September 44 ? ABMC has these men as POW's from 14th September 44 if I understand it correctly? Alex I can only speak for those names listed in RED. That was their release date from confinement, they then departed for Cairo by train and ship. On the 15th of September they were picked up in Cairo by the 15th Air Force and flown to Bari, Italy. Mark
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/25/2008 01:46:19 PM
Hello Dennis, Just a quick question Isnt 42-28681 a P-47D-28-RA ? Was there a typo error sometime in the past should it not be 41-28681 ? So Far - 2Lt. D.L. Dorney --- MACR 8096 B-24 42-28681 461st BG S/Sgt. A.L.Thompson Gunner MACR 7628/7632 B-24 42-78182 454th/738th 2Lt. R. Roehle Bomb. MACR 6363 B24 42-95388 376th/512th 2Lt. J.F.Wilson Nav MACR 6820/8339 B-24 42-52701 485th/828th T/Sgt. G.W. Fanning Eng MACR 6374 B-17 42-31622 97th/414th T/Sgt. L.L.Fogle --- MACR 7674 B-24 44-41047 98TH BG 2Lt. T.C.Gajda Bomb MACR 8087 B24 42-78464 376/514 S/Sgt. W.A. Glynn --- MACR 8270 B-24 44-10565 459 BG/ 759BS Cpl. W. J. G. Lewis --- MACR 8002 B-24 42-51300 451st BG/726BS 2Lt. H.C.Lina --- MACR 7682 B-24 42-78229 484th BG 2Lt. E.R.O'Hara Pilot MACR 7693 B-24 42-78295 459th/758th S/Sgt. G.D.Patten Gunner 484th/? With regard to Cpl. Lewis, From his name I looked on the NARA pow list and found him. From his service number I looked again on NARA at the enlistments and again found that he was indeed William J.G.Lewis and he enlisted in Luzerne, Pennsylvania in Dec 41. On Footnote I found William J.G.Lewis and the MACR number and a/c serial. From that I looked again at the database here and found that the date will fit. However I am puzzled as his Nativity is given as "K1" i.e British or so it seems to me.Can someone please explain this ? Only one left nowto find Alex
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/28/2008 09:38:12 AM
Afternoon, It was late when I posted last week, I ws only copying a pasting from AAF and Footnote and wasn't checking up on them. it was more the methodology of using the footnote directory. I've just checked MACR 8096 on the AAF database and it does list 42-28681 8/22/1944 8096 461 B-24 Footnote says Page 18; 42-28681; 1944; Missing Air Crew Reports (MACRs) of the U.S. Army Air Forces, 1941-1948 Publication Number: M1380 Publication Title: Missing Air Crew Reports (MACRs) of the U.S. Army Air Forces, 1941-1948 Publisher: NARA Year: 1944 Serial Number: 42-28681 Report Number: 8096 Location: Yugoslavia Point Of Departure: Torretta Fld Italy I don't have any publications about USAAF serials. I can only go by whats on the internet. Aviationarcheology.com lists this serial as both a P-47 and a B-24 so probably its a typo in the MACR for the B-24. I read a thread somewhere about these kind of errors. Thats all I can add I think. Proves to check everthing I guess! Dennis
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/28/2008 01:22:45 PM
Hello Lascotte, Can you please tell me what your ref is for linking Gerald Dean Patten with the 484th BG ? I have searched many of their MACR's and he is not in any I have seen so far . Is it possible he was with another Bomber Group ? Alex
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RE: 12 POW's What were their Units ?
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04/30/2008 08:08:53 AM
2Lt. D.L. Dorney --- MACR 8096 B-24 42-28681 461st BG S/Sgt. A.L.Thompson Gunner MACR 7628/7632 B-24 42-78182 454th/738th 2Lt. R. Roehle Bomb. MACR 6363 B24 42-95388 376th/512th 2Lt. J.F.Wilson Nav MACR 6820/8339 B-24 42-52701 485th/828th T/Sgt. G.W. Fanning Eng MACR 6374 B-17 42-31622 97th/414th T/Sgt. L.L.Fogle --- MACR 7674 B-24 44-41047 98TH BG 2Lt. T.C.Gajda Bomb MACR 8087 B24 42-78464 376/514 S/Sgt. W.A. Glynn --- MACR 8270 B-24 44-10565 459 BG/ 759BS Cpl. W. J. G. Lewis --- MACR 8002 B-24 42-51300 451st BG/726BS 2Lt. H.C.Lina --- MACR 7682 B-24 42-78229 484th BG 2Lt. E.R.O'Hara Pilot MACR 7693 B-24 42-78295 459th/758th S/Sgt. G.D.Patten Gunner 484th/? Only Patten to find now, Alex
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