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42-12781 Help - 11/03/2007 05:05:03 AM
Greetings to all from the U.K,
                                              Please can anyone help with my research as I've hit a brick wall with a mystery US plane that crashed in a little village called Lapworth not far from Warwick, England during the War. I read a local parish magazine back in 2001 and this is the Article that got my interest

"One foggy night there was a loud bang. A neighbour, Diana Potts, home from duty, realised it was a crashed plane. Mary packed first aid things and a thermos of coffee and off they went down Tapster Lane by the Church. They got down to the ford where they met a man also searching for the plane (they told him it would be a good idea to stub out his fag as there might be petrol about). Turning left into the field they eventually came across packets of chocolate and bits of metal and then the remains of a Flying Fortress. No crew were visible. They returned home to phone Henley police who said there could not be a crashed plane as they had not been officially notified. In due course they agreed that they had seen this plane, notifying the military who then put a guard on it. The crew, bringing back the crippled plane from a raid over Germany, had baled out over Norfolk and were safe."

So I started the research looking for B17s crashing in warwick  but that came to no avail ,then I found a B24 (B24 42-51251) similar in size to a B17 that crashed in Warwickshire, This I researched quite thouroughly but it turned out to be not the one  as it crashed near Whitnash some 10miles from lapworth.This is where I need some help, Researching into more Warwickshire crashes I found 42-12781 a P38 flown by Thomas B O'bannon 7th PRG based at Mount farm. Apparentley It crashed
Warwick (6mi )WNW,so I went onto Google earth and at  7 .5 miles WNW of Warwick is Tapster lane Lapworth a spot on match.What I'm after is any photos of the 13th squadron,7th PRG or any info on this aircraft or it's pilot so I can try and put this mystery aircraft story to rest.
If this turns out not to be the aircraft I'm looking for then I don't know were to turn as I have asked all the locals,Police station etc. All I keep getting from locals is that It was a Flying Fortress,even the local school had a School play about the B17.

I hope this forum can help me put a end to the mystery Air crash in Tapster lane, lapworth, Warwickshire.

Regards from across the pond

Steve





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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/03/2007 11:19:50 AM
Steve -
Go to www.littlefriends.co.uk
Click on 7th PRG at top
Data Base and Photos
You can also contact the Site.
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/03/2007 11:45:23 AM
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/03/2007 09:39:48 PM
Well guy's thanks for the links ,I contacted Peter Randall at little
friends and he's come up with this although the Name is not completely correct as I have Thomas  B O'bannon and this report calls him Thomas C O'bannon,but it's a start.

Thanks for all the help it's much appriciated.

O'Bannon Killed The RAF and USAAF authorized a comparative perfor­mance test of the three major photo planes. Two were twin-engine aircraft, the American F-5 Lightning, and the DeHavilland Mosquito, the famous "Wooden Wonder" of the RAF. The third plane was the RAF's Supermarine Spitfire. Group Operations assigned 13th Squadron pilot Capt. Thomas C. O'Bannon, Jr., to fly an F-5A during Test Flight 80 on 24 July 1943. After taking off from Mount Farm at 1129 hours, O'Bannon climbed to 25,000 feet where he joined up over the RAF PR base at nearby Benson with F/O A. Glover in the Spitfire and S/Ldr. M.D.S. Hood in the Mosquito.   The trio flew northward. Below 2,500 feet there was poor visibility with light clouds but above 10,000 feet the sky was cloudless. Winds below 7,000 feet were light and variable. First, they tried out their respective aircraft in a level-flight speed trial. The Spitfire drew ahead im­mediately and won that contest. The Mosquito, fitted with drop-tanks, proved only slightly faster than the F-5A. About ten minutes later, the RAF flight leader, beginning the rate-of-climb test, gave orders to the other pilots to begin a turn to starboard and climb to 30,000 feet. The Lightning and Mosquito climbed at about the same rate but again lost to the Spitfire, which reached 30,000 feet with the other two planes still 2,000 feet below. Test completed, they set course for home base.   When O'Bannon's F-5 got far ahead of the forma­tion and did not respond to radio calls, Flight Officer Glover in the Spitfire went ahead of the Mosquito and caught up with the Lightning. They made a turn allowing the Mosquito to catch up. The Mosquito pilot, Squadron Leader Hood, ordered maximum cruising speed for ten minutes and another turn. The Lightning responded im­mediately, but instead of a level turn, it began a descend­ing turn at a 45 degree angle which took O'Bannon down into the haze characteristic of skies around Britain's in­dustrial areas.   Hood and Glover did not see Captain O'Bannon's F-5 again. When O'Bannon did not return to Mount Farm the squadron hoped to hear he had landed safely at an­other field. Unfortunately, he had crashed, the wreckage discovered approximately six miles WNW of Warwick.   Captain O'Bannon had almost 400 solo hours and 157 hours P-38 experience. His aircraft, destroyed on impact with the ground and the resulting fire, had a total of 131 hours at time of the crash. O'Bannon had been killed instantly.  Capt. Kermit Bliss and W/O "Pop" Porter investi­gated the crash site. Porter found the tail assembly some distance from the rest of the aircraft wreckage. He and Bliss searched for anything that could shed light on the accident. "Pop" Porter looked at what was left of the tail assembly and, upon close examination, found that the bolt that adjusted the elevator trim tab push rod had bro­ken. They took their findings to representatives of the Lockheed Corporation investigating the crash, who in­sisted that the bolt was stronger than the rod and it couldn't have broken. Bliss and Porter convinced them to test some bolts until they broke. The tests revealed that, during com­pression, a bend ran down into the under-sized bolt caus­ing it to sheer off. Lockheed ordered rods with bigger bolts installed in all P-38s.
Thanks for all the help it's very much appriciated.

Kindest regards

Steve Chaplin                www.501para.net

 
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/04/2007 06:14:28 AM
Hi,could anyone please tell me what colour scheme a P38 from the 7th PRG would be painted, I'm having model done of one and would like to have it marked up as the THomas O'Bannon 42-12781 aircraft.

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Steve
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/04/2007 10:44:34 AM
Steve - At this time : July ,43
Painted P.R. Blue Over All
Serial # on Tail Over Painted - Not Repainted
Last 3 Digits of Serial # Painted on outer Engine
Cowlings in Yellow , Approximately 9 Inches High.
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/04/2007 11:33:26 AM
I've found this interesting article about Haze paint http://www.34thprs.org/html/aircraft/haze.html
looking at the original photo of 42 12781 it appears to be a shaded colour scheme!!would this be right??http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=7prg&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=8&Temp=818&searchString

Thanks for the info

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Steve
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 11/04/2007 03:17:12 PM
Steve           781 would have been just as the F-4 of 1942-43 on the 34PRS site; the first haze scheme ( Cabot ) white over a black base (note the mottle) ; tail no. overpainted and last 2 digits of serial in white on nacelles, pre-June 1943 insignia of star on disc without the bars. The overall effect was usually a lightish grey-blue with darker areas where the top coat was worn off , like on the upper wing centre sections.  Nick
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RE: 42-12781 Help - 06/08/2008 01:19:54 PM
Hi,
 
If you can get hold of "Eyes of the Eighth" by Keen there is a photo of a relaxing O'Bannon also the story of his previous flights and loss. All down it then seems to a bolt that sheered this led to the loss of the tail section. Found some distance away.
This was proved later with another crashwhere the tail was lost.
O'Bannon's date of loss was 24th July 1943.
 
Alex

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