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B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
I am attempting to find the name of a B-17 that crashed near Guisberg, France on 20 January 1945. It had become lost in the heavy overcast skies and the crew bailed out. Any suggestions on where to look? I don't know that MACRs would help because the plane crashed in Allied held territory and the crew members were probably all recovered. Thank you
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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There were several B-17's that failed to return that day AND where no MACR was issued: 43-37600 306th BG 367th BS "Impatient Virgin" 43-38384 306th BG 368th BS 42-97128 379th BG 526th BS "Screwball Express" 43-38654 379th BG 526th BS 42-37969 381st BG 532nd BS "Old Iron Gut" 42-107150 398th BG 602nd BS 43-37796 457th BG 750th BS "Stinky" 43-38263 34th BG 7th BS "Dies irae" 43-38281 95th BG 412nd BS "Kimmie Kar for 9" France 44-8234 388th BG 562nd BS 390th BG Steinbourg ? 42-52625 487th BG "Mak's Mighty Midgets" I took this from Project Bits and Pieces. I listed locations only when they were provided. Sure hope this is helpful.
David Schmitt d.schmitt@prodigy.net son of 1st LT Donald J. Schmitt, USAAF, co-pilot assigned to 493rd BG/863rd BS at Debach, England from Nov 1944 thru May 1945
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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Thank you David. I eliminated the ones listed in bold as they went on to fly another day. 43-37600 306th BG 367th BS "Impatient Virgin" 43-38384 306th BG 368th BS 42-97128 379th BG 526th BS "Screwball Express" 43-38654 379th BG 526th BS 42-37969 381st BG 532nd BS "Old Iron Gut" 42-107150 398th BG 602nd BS 43-37796 457th BG 750th BS "Stinky" 43-38263 34th BG 7th BS "Dies irae" 43-38281 95th BG 412nd BS "Kimmie Kar for 9" France 44-8234 388th BG 562nd BS 390th BG Steinbourg ? 42-52625 487th BG "Mak's Mighty Midgets"
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A/C: 43-38384: Del Cheyenne 28/7/44; Hunter 8/8/44; Grenier 20/8/44; ass 368BS/306BG [BO-G] Thurleigh 21/9/44; b/d Mannheim 20/1/45 w/?; f/l Continent; sal 14/2/45. A/C: 42-107150: Del Tulsa 7/3/44; Hunter 15/3/44; Grenier 7/4/44; ass 602BS/398BG [K8-J/V] Nuthampstead 26/4/44; b/d Cologne 5/10/44 w/?; f/ Continent; sal 14/11/44. A/C: 43-37796: Del Cheyenne 23/5/44; Kearney 1/6/44; Dow Fd 27/6/44; ass 423BS/306BG Thurleigh 8/`11/44; MIA Brunswick 22/10/44 w/Capt Mathis; mid air coll w/306BG, cr sea off Clacton, UK; 9KIA; MACR 9656. A/C: 44-8234: Del Dallas 17/4/44; Hunter 18/8/44; Dow Fd 18/9/44; ass 562BS/388BG Knettishall 20/9/44; retUS, RFC Walnut Ridge 29/12/45.
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Mapke - Is Steinburg near Guisburg ? If So: #44 - 8151 " Princess Pat " Crashed there 1/20/45 390th BG , 569th SQ. Lt. Earle Greenstreet Crew 1 KIA 9 RTD MACR #11755 for the 1 KIA. If Not : Names of Towns near Guisburg? Mike
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Hello, I am researching the airplanes in my grand fathers flight log books. I wanted to post that Dec 6, 1943 Hubert Lesley, Jr. 301BG, 352nd flew the B-17G number 43-38281. I am trying to find out if any of these planes listed still exist. Callie
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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Callie...43-38281 was not assigned to the 301st. From Roger Freeman and David Osborn's The B-17 Flying Fortress Story : 43-38281 Del Cheyenne 17/7/44. Kearney 25/7/44. Grenier 9/8/44. ass 326BS 92BG. This cannot be the aircraft your grandfather flew on Dec 6,1943, as it was mfg in 1944, and was not delivered to Cheyenne, until 17/7/44. Please re-check the serial number again, and post the correct serial number. :-) Also...Please re-check your dates....I think you possibly mean the year "1944"....not 1943 Jim :-)
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James S. Peters Sr. T/Sgt B-17 Flt Engr, 27 missions 99 BG, 348BS, 5th Wing, 15th AAF Tortorella, (Foggia#2), Italy My Tour was from 12/03/44-06/19/45 M/Sgt USAF (Retired)
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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I am wrong about the date. I was so excited to see that number. It was 1946. He has an engine number listed, the it says Lubbock to Kingman. Can I post photos of the log on here? I would love to have help locating anything and everything. Most of his logs say Foggia. Sorry for jumping the gun on that one and not double checking.
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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Callie...Now I am confused : 43-38281 Del Cheyenne 17/7/44; Kearney 25/7/44; Grenier 9/8/44;ass 326BS/92BG (JW-A), Podington 10/8/44; trns 412BS/95BG (QW-Z), Horham 11/8/44, ret US Bradley 21/8/45 4168 BU Sth Plains 24/6/45;RFC Kingman 6/12/45 KIMMIE KAR FOR 9 Please RECHECK the aircraft serial number...43-38281 flew with the 8th AF..yet, you say most of his logs say Foggia...Foggia was/is in Italy...and was in the 15th AF. You say also that he was with the 301st BG 452nd BS. The 301st Air Field was at Lucera, one of the German Fields around Foggia,that were used by the 5th Wing B-17s. 2nd BG was at Amendola 97thBG was at Amendola 99thBG was at Tortorella 301stBG was at Lucera 463rdBG was at Celone 483rd BG was at Sterperone The following 43-38*** aircraft were 301st aircraft : 43-38483 43-38484 43-38487 43-38492 43-38495 43-38500 43-38505 Jim :-)
James S. Peters Sr. T/Sgt B-17 Flt Engr, 27 missions 99 BG, 348BS, 5th Wing, 15th AAF Tortorella, (Foggia#2), Italy My Tour was from 12/03/44-06/19/45 M/Sgt USAF (Retired)
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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Now I am confused. All the papers I have say 301st 352nd 8th, and some say the 15th air force. He has a training log book and a combat log book. Most of the planes are B-17G's and that number was written in his book. I am trying to find out the provisions, but can't find them on here. His listed combat dates are on the 301BG site. I am trying to find out anything and when I saw that serial number posted I assumed it was/is the same aircraft. The logs books are dated 43-46. Is there anyway that plane was used as a training plane, then used in combat? To be honest, I am very new to this and hope to learn as much as I can. May I email you personally? I would love for someone to help decipher his logs so I don't sound ignorant in the future. Callie grand daughter of Hubert Lesley, Jr
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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Callie...I will PM you with my email address. Jim :-)
James S. Peters Sr. T/Sgt B-17 Flt Engr, 27 missions 99 BG, 348BS, 5th Wing, 15th AAF Tortorella, (Foggia#2), Italy My Tour was from 12/03/44-06/19/45 M/Sgt USAF (Retired)
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Re:B-17 Crash 20 Jan 1945 near Guisberg, France?
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Hi there, thought I would check back in and see if you guys were still around. The year was 1945.
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www.francecrashes39-45.net
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In July 1944 an Lancaster of 463 Squadron crashed SW of Guisberg. B-17, 42-31462 crashed near Entzheim, 8 km SE of Strasbourg,France.MACR 12320 95th BG/ 412th BS
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