Hot!SAD SACK II

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PhilSave
Wing Member
2010/10/05 06:22:16
Was there any B17 to the nickname of "Sad Sack II" in 379th BG?
I have a picture of Glen Hufnail and crew in front of "SAD SACK II", but no date
Hufnail and creww bailed out over Belgium on march 2 1944 when their B17 42-31799 wes hit by flak.
Could 42-31799 be "SAD SACK II"?
Thanks a lot.
Phil
macklijc
Cadet
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 11:45:19
Phil,
My dad Derwood Eugene "Jack" Macklin was the first person on the top row in the picture. He was the Flight Engineer/Top Turrett Gunner. He was captured after hiding out for a while under a house and sent to Stalag Luft 4 & 6. He was on the 1000 mile death march before being liberated. He lived in Adel Iowa when he enlisted. He lived the rest of his life in Redfield Iowa. His plane was a B-17-G-30-BO serial number 42-31799 in the 379th BG 527th BS MACR 2736.  He told me that Sad Sak II was the training plane. He mentioned "Chalker Dog" as another plane he flew in. I still don't know the name of the plane he was shot down in. I did receive a few pictures from Belgium several years back. They mentioned that they have on annual celebration and have part of the plane there. If you have any info please share it. I will try to contact Charles Lambert to get the name of the plane. Thanks, Jerome Macklin
martyjhawk
Division Member
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 12:26:13
Jerome,
Do you have an original copy of the photo?  I think this is one of those training planes that has yet to be identified and I keep thinking surely someone has an original copy they can blow up and read the serial number in the data block.  Crews from numerous groups had their photo taken in front of this plane, but no one seams to know what its serial was.
Marty
cody1947
Group Member
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 17:52:18
I believe A/C 42-31799  was assigned to the 527th BS on 02/07/1944. According to most documents I have it was never assigned a permanent crew and went missing on 3/02/1944. I show A/C# 42-31799 had no official Nose Art. But I have found that many airmen named their craft for the day whether it had a name or not. Many Airmen never got an aircraft assignment on a permanent basis because they were reserve personnel. They were assigned what ever was available but many told me they had a name or a good luck procedure anyway. In the 379th BG 1/4 of the personnel an aircraft were held in a reserve capacity during 1944 & by 1945 the old crew to one Aircraft procedure was passe'. Sad Sack is near the bottom.
 
Here is the best list I have been able to compile thus far:
 
Aircraft Contract#    --  Unit #       --     Nose Art
Aircraft Contract #'s are sometimes confused with Serial #'s. All Aircraft had both. Case in point:
Swamp Fire's Serial Number was A/C # 20292- Contract # 42-32024- Unit designator WA- L-4
because of many reasons the 8th decided to use a variety of paint schemes to apply & some where even esigned by the various units & approved by the 8th.  Below is a list of most of the 379th BG Aircraft with contract numbers-unit designators & known nose art.

41-24583

41-9100                                                                                       Birmingham Blitzkrieg

42-102627       -  Q-7                                                             Queenie

42-102628     -   P-7                                                                 G.I. Jane

42-102675      -  O-53

42-102689                                                                                 Lady Luck  

42-102690     -   O-7

42-102961  

42-102974                                                                                      Hellcat Agnes  

42-106985

42-106998                                                                                         Paper Doll

42-107004      -  S-5  

42-107014      -  R-7, K-7                                                                 Lucy  

42-107051  

42-107068      -  O-4                                                                      Powerful Katrinka

42-107082                                                                                       Lassie Come Home

42-107128      -  R-5

42-107146      -  G-5                                                                     Mairzy Doats

42-107169

42-107175 Z-5

42-107213     -   F-4                                                                         Rubble Rouser  

42-2000

42-29072      -  B-5

42-29511                                                                                            The Iron Maiden

42-29624      -  N-7                                                                        Pappy

42-29633      -  C-5  

42-29653                                                                                         Bad News

42-29694      -  X  

42-29705  

42-29713  

42-29718     -   C-6, F-4                                                                 Fatso  

42-29724      -  H-6  

42-29746  

42-29747      -  D-7                                                                       Rikki-Tikki-Tavi II  

42-29759      -  K-5                                                                       Gay Cavalleros  

42-29772     -   R-4  

42-29773      -  P-6  

42-29776     -   F-4  

42-29787      -  E-5                                                                           Wilder Nell

42-29796  

42-29797

42-29802     -   M-7                                                                         Ruthie II  

42-29824     -   G-5                                                                            Fearless Fosdike  

42-29829     -   P-7                                                                             Sons O'Satan  

42-29830      -  A-5                                                                          Peter Wabbit  

42-29864     -   E-5  

42-29866     -   L-4                                                                             Judy B  

42-29869       -  J-5                                                                              Damndifino  

42-29875  

42-29876       -  B-5                                                                              Battlin Bobbie

42-29878       -   G-6                                                                          Lady Godiva  

42-29886      -  H-5  

42-29889      -  H-6,E&F                                                                 Rocky  

42-29890      -  J-6                                                                            Stupefier

42-29891      -  N-4                                                                           Dangerous Dan  

42-29892      -  N-7  

42-29893     -   Q-4

42-29896       -  V-7                                                                          Tondelayo

42-29897                                                                                          Censored 1

42-29898  

42-29901      -  K-5, K-6  

42-29905       -  Z-6                                                                          Suffern Sall

42-29915       -  U-4                                                                           Thunder God

42-29927      -  F-4

42-29933                                                                                               Panama Hatti

42-29934      --G-6

42-29937      -  G-6

42-29942

42-29946       -  X-5

42-29963     -   I-7                                  Judy

42-29997       -  A-7                                 Sack

42-30001                                                   Mary Ann  

42-30107        -  E-6                               Black Magic  

42-30158                                                    Mary Jane II

42-30165       -  M-4

42-30191       -  C-5                                  The Belovich

42-30192

42-3023                                                      Boozeness

42-30237      -  V-4                                 Stump Jumper

42-30271

42-30298        -  M-4                                Ragin Red II  

42-30309                                                     Ragin Red

42-3048       -  I-5


42-3056      -   F-4, P-7

42-3061

42-3072       -  B-5  

42-30720      -  O-5                              Nine Yanks and a Rebel

42-30731      -  U

42-3099      -  R-7

42-31021      -  K-4                              Whirlway  

42-31028     -   C-4                              Mojo

42-31040                                              Duffy's Tavern  

42-31043       -  L-6                            Elsie Mae

42-31050      -  R-5  

42-31083     -   A-5                             Tenny Belle  

42-31085       -  D-5                           Anita Marie / Mehit

42-31093      -  L-5                            Deacons Sinners

42-31119        -  L-4

42-3113          -  F-5  

42-3114           -  T-5  

42-31189          - X                                    Paragon

42-31228      -F-5                               London Avenger

42-3132

42-3138      -  M-7                             Eight Ball  

42-31394      -  D-5                           Aphrodite  

42-3143                                                 Werewolf  

42-3145      -  W-4                  The Gremlin  

42-3148     -   A-7

42-31510                                    Paper Doll  

42-31535  

42-3154  

42-31555      -  H-7  

42-31592      -  R-5                  Nobody's Baby  

42-31597      -  C-7,                  O Linda

42-31643

42-31648       -  H-6                  Ensign Mary

42-31663      -   G-4                  Tag A Long  

42-3167      -  S-7                       Ye Old Pub

42-31720       -  H-4, M-4       Blue Blazing Blizza

42-3175       -  T-4                      The HA

42-3176                                          Lady Astrid

42-31779      -  J-4                      This Is It

42-31799       -  X-7

42-31801       -  B-5, R-5

42-31822       -  U-4  

42-31915      -  Y-7, R-4             Mary Jo

42-31927      -  F-7

42-31972       -  F-6                     Gamecock  

42-3199           -  S-4, Z-4          Calamity Jane  

42-32000       -  P-4                   Mojo/Twentieth Century

42-32024       -  L-4                    Swamp Fire  

42-32091  

42-32093     -   N-4                    Big Barn Smell  

42-3212  

42-3258       -  T-5  

42-3269       -  B-6                       Picadilly Willy  

42-3292  

42-3300  

42-3325        -Y-4                       Paddys Gremlin  

42-3398

42-3487     -  E-5

42-3500      -   J-5

42-3524       -  G-7                  Vonnie Gal  

42-3559  

42-37728

42-37732      -  R-4                   The Celestial Siren  

42-37764       -  P-6                   Dragon Lady  

42-37768       -  J-6  

42-37784      -  P-5                     The Old Fox  

42-37787       -  C  

42-37791       -   S                           Blues in the Night  

42-37805       -  B-4, B-7            Carol Dawn

42-37825

42-37851       -  C-7, O-4

42-37859      -  Y-7                        Fightin Cock  

42-37887      - H-4  

42-37888       -  J-7  

42-37934      -  X-4

42-37951

42-38036  

42-38057                                         Flak Rabbit

42-38058       -  C-6

42-38082      -  L-5

42-38111          -  M-5, H-4  

42-38141       -  D-4                       Pansy Yokum  

42-38161      -  O-5                        Sarah Jane  

42-38183      -  C-5                     The Lost Angel

42-38185      -  J-6

42-38192      -  O-4, C-4  

42-39762      -  N-4  

42-39763

42-39779     -   F-6  

42-39782                                      Pistol Packin' Mama

42-39783      -  B-6                    Blues in the Nite  

42-39789      -  W-5, N-7        Skunkface  

42-39800     -   T-4                    Patches  

42-39828      -  B-5                     Penny Ante  

42-39889       -  H-6, F-,K-7  

42-39968                                     Petrol Packin MaMa

42-39980       -  C                         Just So  

42-40003      -  H-4                   Ol Gappy / Topper

42-40018       -  Y-7  

42-5379      -  W-7  

42-5407                                Fightin' Pappy

42-5736                                 Tampa Tornado  

42-5809      -   O-7              Mary Jane  

42-5810     -   S-2

42-5813        -  S-5

42-5816        -  Q-7                 Polly  

42-5820       -  C-6  

42-5821      -  O-7                    Cindy  

42-5822      -   G-5  

42-5827        -  E-6, Y-6        Lakanuki

42-5828        - O-4                   Sweater Girl  

42-5829

42-5830        - T-5                    Hag of Harderwyk

42-5839       -  X-6, T-4  

42-5859        -  Y-7

42-5909

42-5917  

42-5929      -   N-7               Flying Jenny  

42-5970       -  T

42-8929

42-9165       -  M-4

42-97087                                   Tujunga I  

42-97128      -  M-5, M-6       Screwball Express  

42-97163       -  R-7                   Snow White  

42-97170      - A-7                    Julie Mae  

42-9718          -  F-4

42-97229       -  Q-4                  Hi Ho Silver  

42-97261       -  P-7  

42-97270      -  H-7                  Red Dragon  

42-97291  

42-97302       -  B-5, N-5       Scotch N' Soda  

42-97370                                   The Hellion  

42-97462       - O-7, C-7        Julie II  

42-97469       -  L-7                  Busy Baby

42-97485       -  G                      Taletha Ann  

42-97502      -  D-7  

42-97514

42-97520                                     Peg-O-My-Heart  

42-97522

42-97523

42-97532       -  V-5

42-97533      -  E-4

42-97552

42-97569  

42-97574

42-97592

42-97651

42-97660

42-97675       -  O-5

42-97678     -   J-5           The Birmingham Jewe1

42-97691

42-97699

42-97703

42-97704

42-97740

42-97777

42-97778

42-97825                               Phyllis  

42-97833       -  L-5            Silver Dollar  

42-97878      -   J-5

42-97890                               Lil Satan  

42-97932     -   H-5

42-97933                               Gilded Orion  

42-97942                               Heavenly Body II  

42-97967     -   W-4            Hun Runner

42-97980  

42-98034  

42-986

42-9889

43-37554  

43-37570       -  K-4            Miss Liberty  

43-37622  

43-37677      -  A-4  

43-37743  

43-37755                             Everybody's Baby 54

43-37777      -  Q-5            Four Of A Kind

43-37832  

43-37851      -  O-4            Goo Goo  

43-37855      -  T-4            Boomerangs Big Fr

43-37903                             Toodles Boy  

43-37905 B-4  

43-37932                              Spratt-O-Liner  

43-37934      -  X-4             Million Dollar Baby  

43-37950      -  M-7            Gravel Gertie

43-37951                                Red Dragon  

43-38049      -  S-7  

43-38092  

43-38178      -   P-5            Seattle Sue  

43-38237                             Dallas Doll

43-38238     -   J-7

43-38256                              Our Baby  

43-38272     -   D-5            The Thumper  

43-38275       -  F-7            Take Me Home

43-38387  

43-38388       -  G-4  

43-38420      -   J-6  

43-38431       -   J-7  

43-38466        -  X-4  

43-38539        -  W-7

43-38577  

43-38633  

43-38654  

43-38679                            Miss Liberty  

43-38685  

43-38695  

43-38704      -  U-7, D-7  

43-38716                            Miss Anoxia

43-38722      -  M-7  

43-38724                          The B-17 Flying Fo  

43-38745  

43-38759                           Dimples

43-38783  

43-38818  

43-38835      -  X-7  

43-38874                           Pipe Dream  

43-38955  

43-38979

43-39003

43-39016  

43-39061                           Round Twip Wabbit

43-39076  

43-39094

43-39111  

43-39113  

43-39147  

43-39165

43-39208

43-39212  

43-39229

44-6004                         Ronny Boy  

44-6022      -  N-7  

44-6094     -   N-5  

44-6107  

44-6119      -  A-6            White Lightnin  

44-6133  

44-6140      -  U-7            Miss Lace

44-6143      -  A-5            Miss Behavin

44-6172  

44-6459      -  G-5

44-6507                            Lucky Patch

44-6561  

44-6602                             Slew Foot Sue  

44-6614

44-6835                              Star Dust  

44-6906                              Constipated Lady

44-6912  

44-6915  

44-6965

44-8017      -  X-7            The Sad Sack

44-8047  

44-8110      -  Y-4  

44-8136      -  X-5

44-8137

44-8155      -  Z-5

44-8198  

44-8262  

44-8275     -   P-7  

44-8277  

44-8310      -  P-4  

44-83288

44-8369  

44-8425      -  T-7            Connie  

44-8435                             Picadilly Lilly

44-8451                              Butch

44-8469                             Ho

44-8501                             Jeanie

44-8589                            Pretty Olga 

44-8669  

44-8748  

44-8788  

44-8813      -  Z-5  

44-8837                            Stormy Weather  

44-8845  

44-8900                            Carico Joe  

44-8918

 
 
cody1947
Group Member
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 17:58:28
PS if anyone has photo or info on crews I would appreciate copies for my tribute website:
 
https://sites.google.com/site/379thbgnoseart/
shooshoobaby
Air Force Brat
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 18:24:11
Cody -
# 42-31799
2/7/44 Assigned 524th SQ.  WA C
Then Assigned 525th SQ.  FR C
Then Assigned 527th SQ.  FO X
3/2/44 Shot Down
Photos:
B-17 Fortress at War  by Roger Freeman  Page 157
Shades of Kimbolton
Mike
shooshoobaby
Air Force Brat
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 20:08:12
Cody -
# 42 - 29759 FR K  " GAY CABALLEROS " Spelling
# 42 - 29890 525th Sq. FR E  " Stupifier "
                      526th SQ. LF J  " Madame Pisonya "
                                               " Battlin Bobbie "
#42 - 29905 LF K/Z  also Named  " 4-Q-2 " 
#42 - 30298  FR M  also named " Tender Tit Tillie "
# 43 - 38420 " Yvonne "
#42 - 31043 LF L  Also named " Hell's Belle "
#42 - 38058 LF C  " The Wish Bone "
#43 - 37662 FO F  " Phyllis "
#43 - 38716 K  Also named " Liberty Run Kids "
# 43 - 37976  " Lille Marlene "
#42 - 29886 FR H " Scheherazade "
#44 - 6602  also named " This Is It "
# 44 - 83288 S " The Grim Reaper " 
                         " Lady Ann "
Last B-17 assigned to 379th BG
I will probably have a few more,
Mike
Thierry
Squadron Member
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/11 11:20:11
Hello my friend,
I understand the significance of the letter O for the 42-107268 Powerful Katrinka
but what is the significance of the number 4 after the letter (for example: O-4 for PK).
Thank you !
cody1947
Group Member
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/11 15:11:33
Thierry- The best I can figure after talking with others is that there were as many as 40 aircraft at any given time in a bomber squadron. This being said we have to realize that there were only 26 possible combinations using the alphabet only as an aircraft designator. The 379th BG had as many as 350 aircraft during it's time of operations. Although some records do not reflect the entire aircraft designator as with Swamp Fire being WA-L-4 we have come to know it as WA-L (Informally) but there were other aircraft in the 542th BS that had the WA-L designation. Swamp Fire received the # 4 possibly meaning it was the fourth aircraft to have WA-L.
Thierry
Squadron Member
Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/13 09:22:03
Ok,
thank you for these informations.
-Thierry -
 
Re:SAD SACK II 2013/05/26 23:02:43
macklijc
Phil,
My dad Derwood Eugene "Jack" Macklin was the first person on the top row in the picture. He was the Flight Engineer/Top Turrett Gunner. He was captured after hiding out for a while under a house and sent to Stalag Luft 4 & 6. He was on the 1000 mile death march before being liberated. He lived in Adel Iowa when he enlisted. He lived the rest of his life in Redfield Iowa. His plane was a B-17-G-30-BO serial number 42-31799 in the 379th BG 527th BS MACR 2736.  He told me that Sad Sak II was the training plane. He mentioned "Chalker Dog" as another plane he flew in. I still don't know the name of the plane he was shot down in. I did receive a few pictures from Belgium several years back. They mentioned that they have on annual celebration and have part of the plane there. If you have any info please share it. I will try to contact Charles Lambert to get the name of the plane. Thanks, Jerome Macklin



Hello Jerome,
If you are interested, I have a great deal of information about your father's time on the ground, his fellow would-be evaders, his helpers and his betrayers. If you care to exchange any information with me you can contact me directly at: mooresleblanc@gmail.com.
 
Regards,
Michael