Hello,
 
Can anyone tell me who was in C-47  42-100819 when it crashed down near Picauville at "D-Day" 6 june 1944?
 
At one website I found this information:
 
Pilot: Marston F. Sargent
Co-pilot: Steve C. Baran
Crew Chief: Walter F. Gendron
Radio Operator: Melvin F. Shullanberger
They were all Killed In Action.
 
There was also written that they had 16 paratroopers of 1/506th Parachute Infantry Regiment with them. Does anybody now their names and/or if they are all Killed in Action?
 
Thank you very much,
Tom

Tom,

Photograph and narrative at attachment extracted from http://www.506pireasyco.com/506th_parachute_infantry_regiment.htm

Scratching around on the website will probably reveal the names of the other 15 paratroopers on chalk#32.

Take what you like and leave the rest....

Andy

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Hello Huey,
 
Thank you for your reply. I already saw the website,
and the picture of Pvt. Benjamin F. Winn. But I can't find the picture of him together with the formation they flew on D-Day. Can you tell me were it is?
 
Thanks, Tom
 
P.s. isn't there a list of names were you can see who was with witch chalk?

Hello Tom

Here is the information for 42-100819

Crew :
SARGENT Marston Folsom - 2d Lt - Pilot
BARAN Steve Casimir - F/O - co pilot
GENDRON Walter Floyd - T/Sgt - Engineer
SHULLANBERGER Melvin Bell - S/Sgt - Radio operator

Paratroopers:
BEATTY Kenneth A. - 1st Lt - O-1285532
SPEAKE Roy H. - Sgt - 18125290
MIDDLETON Eugene E. - Cpl - 15116459
FENERAN Frederick J. - Pfc - 12129872
MORRISON Luther F. - Pvt - 13066039
GONZALES Augustine - Pvt - 38456970
LAFERRERA Salvatore M. - Pvt - 12099723
CHEEL Jay E. - Pvt - 39905861
HENSEL Robert J. - Pfc - 36378163
KING James D. - Pvt - 39528067
CAMPBELL Colin - Pfc - 06904258
NAIMOLI Robert M. - Pfc - 32630200
WINN Benjamin F. - Pvt - 15116896
WILLIAMS Hugh F. - Pvt - 33632922
HALL John D. - Tec5 -06388751
DAVIS John L. - Tec5 - 15316846

All of them were KIA in the crash

The flight formation is on my website : http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/aeropus/en_page.php?page=s11

Patrick Elie - Normandy - France
http://www.6juin1944.com
http://www.the-snafu-special.com

Hello Patelie,
 
Just the information I need!
Thank you very much for your reply!
 
Very nice website you got there.
No other questions at the moment.
 
Thanks, Tom
 

Hello Patie,
 
here's another question from me.
 
I was looking at the Roll Of Honour at
http://www.ww2-airborne.us/units/506/506_honor.html
before I posted this request.
I copied all the 17 names of men from C company who were KIA at d-day.
When I was searching at google I found your website and the flight formation.
There was one red plane (42-100819)
The names of the crew were written down and I found out that they were all KIA.
There was also standing that there were 16 paratroopers from 1/506 in it.
I knew that Benjamin F Winn was killed in the crash, so that's why I searched for names of Company C.
 
Then I posted my question here if anybody knew who was in the plane and if they were all KIA.
 
You gave me the list of names, and 14 names of the 17 I found matched.
There were 2 names wich I hadn't found before:
HALL John D. - Tec5 -06388751
DAVIS John L. - Tec5 - 15316846
I went looking and I saw that John Hall was from Able Company, and John Davis from Service Company.
 
The name John Hall sounded femiliar to me. I remembered him from Band of Brothers. At the drop at D-Day he lands just a few meter before Luitenant Winters. In the same serie you'll see that he fights with E-Company at Brecourt and gets killed there.
 
You posted that all the paratroopers were KIA at the crash. How can this be?
Has there been a mistake at Band Of Brothers, or did you made a mistake?
 
Please let me know,
 
Thanks, Tom

Tom,

Per http://aad.archives.gov/aad/display-partial-records.jsp?dt=893&sc=19685%2C19709%2C19686%2C19687%2C19688%2C19753%2C19696%2C19698&cat=WR26&tf=F&bc=sl%2Cfd&q=&as_alq=&as_anq=&as_epq=&as_woq=&nfo_19685=V%2C8%2C1900&op_19685=0&txt_19685=&nfo_19709=V%2C24%2C1900&op_19709=0&txt_19709=hall+john+d&nfo_19686=V%2C2%2C1900&cl_19686=&nfo_19687=V%2C3%2C1900&cl_19687=&nfo_19688=V%2C4%2C1900&cl_19688=&nfo_19753=V%2C2%2C1900&op_19753=0&txt_19753=&nfo_19696=V%2C1%2C1900&cl_19696=&nfo_19698=V%2C2%2C1900&op_19698=0&txt_19698=  there were 31 individuals named John D. Hall who enlisted in the US Army during WWII.

Of those 31 individuals named John D. Hall, at least one died on June 6, 1944 (see graphic below) information extracted from http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1?page_num=1&last_nme=hall&last_nme_opt=1&first_nme_opt=1&first_nme=john&mid_nme=d&mid_nme_opt=1
 
I believe the John D. Hall listed above (A Company - 1st Battalion - 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment) to be the individual who died in the crash of chalk#32 - - and the Band of Brothers John Hall you mention to be another individual who, by coincidence, shared the same name of John Hall but was in E Company - 2nd Battalion - 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment?
 
Take what you like and leave the rest....

Andy

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Tom

The information and the names are coming from the MACR 7133. John D Hall 06388751 was, like John L Davis, member of Svc Co and assigned to this stick.
We made, with Dave Berry and other guys, extensive research in February 2005 before the dedication of a plaque at Upottery airfield. The man who was killed with Winters during the attack at Brecourt was John D. HallS (note the 'S' at the end) 17091542.  He was from  Hq Co  2/506  and in Heavy Mortar section. This fact is confirmed by a veteran who was with John D. Halls in the same company.

John D. Halls
ID: 17091542
Entered the Service From: Colorado
Rank: Private First Class
Service: U.S. Army 
506th Parachute Infantry Regt, 101st Airborne Division
Died: Tuesday, June 06, 1944
Buried at: Normandy American Cemetery
Location: Colleville-sur-Mer, France
Plot: C Row: 10 Grave: 32

The two names (Hall and Halls) are listed on the roll of Honor on my website http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/aeropus/page.php?page=roll&unit=506

We can tell now that the mistake is in the Band of Brothers serie

<message edited by patelie on 12/17/2006 10:25:05 AM >

Hello Patelie,
 
if I'm right there has been made quite a big mistake making the Band of Brothers series. They have made a mistake between John D. Hall and John D. Halls.
So the John D. Hall (from A-Company) in Band Of Brothers who dies during the attack at Brecourt is in real life John D. HallS from Hq Co. 2/506.
 
John D. Hall who died during the crash of plane 42-100819 was in real life from the Service Company, if I'm right...
 
Thanks for your response,
Tom

Hello patelie,
 
I was looking at this Roll of Honour:
http://www.ww2-airborne.us/units/506/506_honor_hj.html
there is one John D Hall and one John D. HallS, both killed during D-Day.
There has been mentioned that John D. Hall was a t/5 from Able Company and John D. HallS was from Hq 2.
 
If this information is right, I think that Band Of Brothers is also right about the John D Hall from Able Company who was killed at Brecourt.
The John D. Hall(s) who was killed during the crash of 42-100819 was from Hq 2.
I think that the list from plane 42-100819 is wrong. The John D. Hall mentioned there was from Hq 2 and not from Service Company.
Where did you got the information from that he was from Service Company?
At the link above there isn't a John D. Hall killed at D-day from Service Company
 
please let me know,
Thanks, Tom

Tom

You think that the list of the plane is wrong????   Incredible!
It means that you think that a website and a TV serie are better information than an Official Document??

Have you any idea how is made a MACR???
The MACR and the list are dated 7 June 1944. The list of passengers aboard the plane is coming from the loading manifest! It means that it was the men who were aboard the plane when it crashed.. The name of John D Hall and his ASN are in this list with all the other troopers.
How can you say that it was HallS who was aboard the plane while the name and ASN are those of John D Hall?

If you believe than Ambrose and BoB are right you must, first, resolve a mystery.. and explain it to me!
It's a fact that John D Hall was aboard 42-100819. it was serial 11 CN #32
Winters was in 42-100646 serial 12 CN #67. His plane is 04 minutes after John D Hall's plane.

Can you explain me how John D Hall can jump second-to-last in the stick while ALL the other men in the stick are killed in the crash of their plane near Picauville..... Walk more than 6 miles in the night, crossing the merderet and the flooded area... IN FOUR Minutes!!! AND Land by parachute (remember, in BoB, Hall(s) landed after Winters) near Winters EAST of Ste Mere Eglise.
You have a second solution... : John D Hall jumped second-to-last of a stick from which all other men were killed and during the FOUR minutes of his descent, the wind pushed him from picauville to East of SME (more than 6 miles)... and he landed near and after Winters... ouffff
After that he must follow Winters, being killed at Brecourt, and Buried in the temporary cemetery at Blosville SECOND in the SAME ROW than all the other men killed in the crash at the beginning of the story!

I am sorry.. Ambrose and Bob are Wrong.

Patrick Elie - Normandy - France
http://www.6juin1944.com
http://www.the-snafu-special.com

Hello Patelie,
 
woow great explenation.
I'm sorry for what I said.
Yes I do believe you and that the list is right.
You did a big research , and I didn't.
 
I just asked here for the men who were in the plane. You gave it to me and I'm very thankfull for it.
Your right to don't believe everything that's in a movie, they can make mistakes to.
 
Thanks for your answer,
Tom

I have been trying to find out the flight crew for my dads mission on d day plus one. his name was flight officer Charles E Skidmore Jr. or perhaps which c-47 pulled him in to normandy. can youtell me where imight look. i just got a book published at www.blurb.com about my dads military glider pilot career. you canread the first 16 pages. the title is world war II glider pilot. its 137 pages, with copies of his military and training documents. thanks Mike Skidmore

mike skidmore

forgot to mention my dad Charles E Skidmore Jr. was with the 439th TC group 91 squadron.  went in on Nornamdy d day plus one. and also onoperation market garden.

mike skidmore

Mike -
If you Google Glider Pilots WW II
Several Sites including Glider Pilots Assn.
Mike