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any info would be great

I am putting together a scrapbook for our family's 100 year reunion this summer, and I am trying to gather some information on my great uncle who was KIA in 1944. I am not even sure if I have the right group or not. His headstone at Arlington reads:
Cyril W. Bolash
Ohio
Staff Sgt
788 AAF BOMG SQ
World War II
Sept. 18, 1922
May 10, 1944
Is there anyway who might have any information on this incident or maybe some pictures of this crew? I have searched for quite a few days and haven't been able to come up with anything pertaining to it. Anything that anyone would be able to help with would be great, I would love to give his information to his surviving family members.
 
Thank You
Kathy Cessna

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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/22 23:49:02 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
     
    The 788 BS was assigned to the 467th Bom Group stationed in Rackheath, UK.  They flew B-24 bombers.  You should run a google search for the 467th BG - you may have  luck finding an internet group or more info.
     
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    Christopher

    Christopher Montagna, Father Adam, USNAAB - Uncle John Montagna, Sgt. AP mechanic AAF - Bernard Sitek, SSgt aireal gunner, 457th BG, 749th Squadron.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 00:48:26 (permalink)
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    S/Sgt. Cyril W. Bolash, #15072884, temporary burial site at Bari Cemetery, Bari, Italy, relocated at request of next of kin to Arlington National Cemetery, Fort Myer, Virgina,
     
     
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 06:06:49 (permalink)

    Jim McCabe, Historian
    307th BG Assoc.
    www.307bg.net 
    My father, Lt. Mike McCabe(deceased 4/26/05), 307th BG, 424th BS, was a Navigator based at Morotai. Mission dates ranged from 2/20/45-8/1/45.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 08:25:18 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
     
    I have never used this service before, so I cannot vouch for it.  There is a website called accident-report.com that will provide some research into WWII air crashes.  I did a quick search and your grandfather’s name does appear as CW Bolash.  The link follows:
     
    http://www.accident-report.com/Crew_Names/namebenk_bo.html
     
    I hope this helps,
     Christopher

    Christopher Montagna, Father Adam, USNAAB - Uncle John Montagna, Sgt. AP mechanic AAF - Bernard Sitek, SSgt aireal gunner, 457th BG, 749th Squadron.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 08:47:19 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
     
    If Terri is correct and your grandfather was buried at Bari, Italy, this would indicate to me he was not with the 467th but rather the 465th Bomb group.  Maybe the 783 BS? Is there a way to verify the headstone? Also, I searched the 467th casualty lists and Cyril Bolash's name does not appear.  This supports my assumption he was not with the 467th.  I will continue to search for 465th casualty lists.
     
    Christopher

    Christopher Montagna, Father Adam, USNAAB - Uncle John Montagna, Sgt. AP mechanic AAF - Bernard Sitek, SSgt aireal gunner, 457th BG, 749th Squadron.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 09:04:22 (permalink)
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    One more resource contact for military records:
     
    COUNTY VETERAN'S SERVICE OFFICES
    Mahoning County
    County Annex, Rm. #213
    2801 Market Street
    Youngstown, OH 44507330-740-2450

    Christopher Montagna, Father Adam, USNAAB - Uncle John Montagna, Sgt. AP mechanic AAF - Bernard Sitek, SSgt aireal gunner, 457th BG, 749th Squadron.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 09:46:51 (permalink)
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    The information I have I took from a picture that my grandmother took of Cy's headstone. From what little information I have I know that he was KIA from flak in a B-24 Liberator Bomber flying over Austria on May 10, 1944. Everywhere I have looked I have not been able to find any reference to this flight. I can find things from May 8, or May 12 but not the 10th. I can find his name listed for KIA but nothing else.  Cy was my Grandmother's brother, and today there are only 3 siblings still with us. I am hoping that one of them, or one of my father's siblings will have some type of information that will help. You all have been wonderful with your searches and have given me more information and places to look in one day than I have been able to find on my own.
    Thank You
    Kathy Cessna
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 10:18:41 (permalink)
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    Hi Kathleen,
     
    The 464th Bomb Group was in the MTO and this would account for a burial in Bari, Italy. The headstone may have a mistake since the 778th Squadron was in the 464th BG. This group lost a plane on 10 May 1944 and MACR 4658 covers it. You can receive a copy free of charge . Contact Lynn.Gamma@MAXWELL.AF.MIL. You can ask from the outset if your relative is listed to save the trouble of getting a report that is not pertinent. The plane serial number is 42-52468.
     
     Vic

    Vic Walzel, brother of 1st Lt Leland H. Walzel, bombardier with the 93rd Bomb Group, 330th Squadron. KIA 6 March 1944 on his 25th mission.
    www.lelandwalzel.150m.com
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 10:35:22 (permalink)
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    Oops, my mistake thank you for catching that. It is listed at the 778 Bomb Sq. on the picture that I have, typigraphical error on my part. Of course now that I realise that, it may make it easier to find information.
    Thank you again
    kathy
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 11:16:15 (permalink)

    Christopher Montagna, Father Adam, USNAAB - Uncle John Montagna, Sgt. AP mechanic AAF - Bernard Sitek, SSgt aireal gunner, 457th BG, 749th Squadron.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 13:09:57 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
    For what ever this is worth. On May 5th 485 Fortresses and Liberators returned to the Ploesti oil refineries. " Five (5) days later (May 10th) it was the all too familiar Weiner Neustadt plants again, Bf 109 production and assembly plants were struck
    by 126 B-24s and 174 B-17s. The 15th AF lost 28 bombers during this maximum effort. Many of the losses were suffered by the 456th BG, which became badly separated from other groups and was badly mauled by fighters". Weiner Neustadt in Austria was just a cut below Ploesti for hazardious missions for the 15th AF.
    This may have also been his mission that day, the 10th of May.
    Good Luck in your quest.
    post edited by Janos - 2007/02/23 13:25:38

    Fair Winds and Following Seas,   John
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    Kin to LT. John W. Farnkopf  
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/23 19:28:39 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
     
    I encourage you to get the MACR 4658. It may give you some information that will help you. Joe Baugher's site shows the B-24 42-52468 as "Red Riding Hood" .
     
    Vic

    Vic Walzel, brother of 1st Lt Leland H. Walzel, bombardier with the 93rd Bomb Group, 330th Squadron. KIA 6 March 1944 on his 25th mission.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/24 12:03:39 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
    From page 35 of our "464th Bomb Group Association M.I.A." Roster I find, under "Our Losses", the following:

    Bolash, Cyril W.   S/Sgt.   10 May 44   778th Sqdn   Strothers, OH.

    There is no MACR, based on the info I find (the aircraft made it back into friendly territory).  Though the aircraft, 41-29412, White M, "Strictly From Hunger" was badly damaged, per page 34 of the book "The 464th BG in WWII" by Mike Hill and Betty Karle, Capt. Robert Hornbaker,  did manage to get the aircraft back to base, which at that time would have been "Gioia del Colle", since Pantanella AB was not completed as yet.  Capt. Hornbaker's B24 was in the Deputy Lead position.  A large chunk of burning hot flak came through the side of the plane and hit waist gunner "Cyril Bolash" above the eye.  Sgt. Bolash was dead before he hit the floor of the airplane.  With one dead, the copilot wounded, two engines out and a sieve for an airplane, Hornbaker had to leave the formation.  It would take some fancy flying and a miracle for them to get back to base.

    From reel B0614 of the Microfilm "464th Bomb Group History" from AFHRA, Maxwell Field, the following two aircraft were lost on that May 10 44 mission:
    42-52468  777th BS "Red Hot Riding Hood"  MACR 4658
    42-64441  778th BS "Cherry/Big Ass Bird"  MACR 4804
    I have copies of both MACRs.

    From reel B0614, image 0524:
    10 May 1944-Weiner-Neustadt-A/C No. 41-29412-  778th Sq
    S/Sgt  (748)  Balash, Cyril W.   15072884  Killed in action by E/A
    Note the misspelling.  Also 748 would be his MOS - Flight Engineer/Gunner.

    Kathy, I would suggest that the US Army Personnel Command be contacted and a request made for Sgt Bolash "293 File, Individual Personnel File".   The address is available on this forum.

    I hope this info is of some help to you.

    Good Luck.

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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/24 12:18:26 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
    The info I gave you was to show you there was 15th AF activity (Big Time) on the
    day you allude to. It does not mean it answers your query. Keep in mind that on a bombing mission, more than one group/squadron are most likely involved especially if it is all out effort. I second Vic's motion on obtaining the MACR, then you can proceed from there. Be aware, there is a time delay on reply for MACRs.

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    Kin to LT. John W. Farnkopf  
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/24 12:42:21 (permalink)
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    I found a book on eBay called "The 464th Bomb Group In Action Over the Third Reich".   The books ISBN is 076431628.  I have also seen the book on Barnes & Nobles website.
     
    It might be worth a trip to B&N to see if they can order the book.
     
    Christopher

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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/24 14:12:19 (permalink)
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    Gentlemen:
    I would like to thank all of you for everything that you have found. Cy's siblings are in their 80s and 90s now and I know that some of their memories are failing. This has been a very strange quest for me, being as I am his great-neice. The information that you provided shows that his aircraft was not lost and that he was most likely returned to base upon his death. As for the mis-spelling of his name, it's not the first time. His parents imagrated to the US in the early 1900s and the Bolash came from Balas, and my great grandfather had a brother who's spelling ended up being Balash. Thank you all for your help in this matter. Will I as his neice be able to request those documents, or do they need to come from his brother or sisters? Just a thought.
    Again thank you all so very much,
    Kathleen Cessna
    Proud Navy Wife and Proud Family member of those who have served our country from WWII to the present.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/24 15:57:31 (permalink)
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    Kathy,
    I suggest you write the requesting letter and make it known you wrote it for the sibling and you both sign it. I did this for my wife and it works. Forget the MACR since the plane was not lost, go for the 293 file mentioned. The grand parents must have been on the same boat as my maternal ones. Their name was spelt Beres Imagration spelt is just like its pronounced Berish.
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    RE: any info would be great 2007/02/28 08:40:15 (permalink)
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    My sister emailed me a picture of Cy and another gentleman. I would like to post it, but I don't know how. So can someone please help me?
    Thank you
    Kathy
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    Re: RE: any info would be great 2010/04/18 16:05:59 (permalink)
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    Dear Cathy

    I discover thes eold message only today. I hoe that you will can to read it.

    I am a french aviation historian who did deep research on the Captain Robert W. Hornbaker'crew and the plane # 41-29412, "Strictly from Hunger".
    I posed few pictures of Cy Bolash, and visited in 1989, the Arlington cemetery where I
    let a flower on the grave of S/Sgt Cyril W. Bolash.

    Cathy, May 10'1944 was the first most hard mission that suffered the 464th BG. That day, Cy received a direct hit of Flak'shell.
    The original Captain Hornbaker crew who flew from the USA to Italy (Gioia del Colle temporary airbase) was :
    - Capt Robert W. Hornbaker, pilot
    - Lt Stillman J. Harding, copilot
    - Lt Carl A. Gein bombardier
    - Lt Richard B. Nilles, navigator
    - an undentified suplemantare navigator
    - T/Sgt Alfred R. Karow, top turret gunner
    - S/Gt Richard E. Viereck, nose turret gunner
    - S/Sgt Cyril W. Bolash left waist gunner
    - S/Sgt Edwin J. Draney, radio-ops, right waist gunner
    - S/sgt William J. Harcher, lower ball gunner
    - Geyer Stafford, tail turret gunner 

    Lt Harding was badly wounded seriously by flak bullet
    Cy was killed in action
    Stafford was wounded

    Cathy, today, on these entire original crew, only Lt Harding is stil living (99 years old) in the Utah'state.
    The plane was not "41-29412" on the May 10'mission. It was a replacement'plane because 41-29412 had engine trouble on the taxi way. Captain Hornbaker'crew was that day in Deputy Leader posion (in rear an right side of the leader of the 778 squadron).

    After back close to Foggia because not possibility of back at their home base Captain Hornbaker and his crew safe back to Gioia del Colle.
    On 25 may 1944, target to Givors, in Rhône valley, France, 41-29412 was shot down with two engines (left engines) in fire.
    Crew of 25 May 1944 :
    - Captain Hornbaker, pilot, KIA
    - Lt Ray Burklund, copilot in replacement of Harding, captured
    - Gein, Nilles, Draney and Harcher bailled out too far over the frenches coasts.
    All reported toady MIA.
    - Lawrence E. Reinecke was in replacement of Cy. His parachute did not oppened, he was killed when he hit the ground very close... the Hospital of the town of Cannes.
    - Karow bailled out and was captured
    - "Rollie" Baryenbruch was in replacement of Greyer Statford. Rollie was Pow.
    - Sgt Denal Hoffman was in replacement of sgt Richard Viereck (who had bad sick). 
    Body of sgt Hoffman was never recovered and still statued as MIA today.

    You can visit and contact us at :

    www.aero-relic.org

    I have document about Cy, and mainly, the personnal journal of Al Karow who relate this terrible mission of May 10'1944, when Cy was deadly hit.
    Al died one year ago, I visit 4 time him, as he came back here at Cannes, France, for the celebration of the 50th anniveary of the fall of 41-29412.

    Have a nice day,

    Philippe


    Hope that this message will can arrive at you

    On the 464th BG'Internet site, a wonderfull picture of Cy is showed.





     




      

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