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Virgin on the Verge, B-17

I have many photo's of B-17 planes and the men that flew them in the 388th stationed in England.  My father Paul Swift, Sr. was the capt. of Virgin on the Verge, and the other photo's I have are Shedonwanna, Pistol Packin Mama, Little Boy Blue, and many others, just to name a few.  If anyone is looking for a loved one, newpaper articles, and photo's, I may just have them.  Also, if anyone knows of my father, maybe someone out there may have flown with him, please let me know.
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2006/11/12 21:45:06 (permalink)
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    HELLO TOM, 
    IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POST, MY UNCLE FLEW SOME MISSIONS ON SOME OF THE A/C THAT YOU MENTIONED. IN PARTICULAR, LITTLE BOY BLUE, PISTOL PACKIN' MAMA & VIRGIN ON THE VERGE.  HE WAS  A BOMBARDIER WITH THE BEEBY CREW IN THE 560 SQUADRON, FROM JUL.'43 - FEB.'44.  I HAVE NO PHOTOS OF ANY OF THE AIRCRAFT.  WE DON'T LIVE TOO FAR FROM ONE ANOTHER . . . I'M TO YOUR WEST IN VT.!
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2006/11/14 19:17:44 (permalink)
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    Hi Maggie,
     
    What was your Uncles name?  We have photo's of many planes and their crew.  We do not know if your Uncle is in any? Can you be more specific?   We also have newspaper articles that my dad saved in a scrap book.  Is it possible to take old photo's and turn them to disk?
    My father was in the 561st squadron, then moved to the 560.  We may have some information for you?  Where in VT are you? 
    Great to hear from you.  Thank you for your response.
    Tom Swift
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2006/11/15 04:14:45 (permalink)
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    Hi Tom:
     
    I am preparing a book on the misisons to Poznan in Poland (also know under its German name: Posen). The 388th BG flew to the target on February 20 & 24 and April 9 & 11.
     
    I wonder if your father has flown any of the missions.
     
    By the way, I am looking for pictures of the following ships:
     
    s/n group/squadron name
    #42-31577 388/563 Aquila / Aquilla
    #42-37886 388/562 Blitzen' Betsy / Blitzing Betty
    #42-39894 388/561 Boomerang Barbara
    #42-31153 388/562 Boomerang II / Captain Joe
    #42-97192 388/562 Bottled in Bond
    #42-31137 388/563 Classy Chassy
    #42-30800 388/563 Cock of the Walk
    #42-97091 388/561 Dear Mom / Weary Wolf
    #42-31194 388/562 Duchess of Dixie
    #42-97171 388/563 Fourth Term / Raider Maiden / 4th Term
    #42-31240 388/561 Good Ship & Happy Ship / Shack Job
    #42-30595 388/560 Gremlin Gus II / Olin 69'ers
    #42-31802 388/562 Gyndia / Gynida
    #42-31745 388/563 Heaven Can Wait
    #42-97328 388/561 Heavens Above / Heaven's Above
    #42-39845 388/560 Hultcher's Vulchers / Hulcher's Vultures
    #42-31760 388/561 Ikky Poo
    #42-31707 388/561 Jake's Jerks / Haughty Hazy / Winnemann's Witch
    #42-97210 388/561 Jamaica Ginger / Jamaica Ginger II
    #42-31549 388/561 Jeannie
    #42-30625 388/560 Joho's Jokers
    #42-97184 388/560 Lady Godiva
    #42-3518 388/560 Lady Lillian?
    #42-30851 388/560 Little Boy Blue
    #42-107085 388/563 Little Chum
    #42-37839 388/562 Little Willie
    #42-97528 388/563 Mary's Sister
    #42-37878 388/563 Millie K
    #42-31039 388/560 Miss Fortune
    #42-39842 388/560 Miss Lace
    #42-3291 388/560 Miss Mac
    #42-5954 388/560 Mister Yank II
    #42-39907 388/560 Nasty Nellie
    #42-30778 388/561 Old 66 / Lady Margaret
    #42-31242 388/563 Patty Jo
    #42-32011 388/562 Peg o' My Heart / Peg of My Heart
    #42-31103 388/563 Pegasus II / Pegasus, Too
    #42-32004 388/560 Pride of the Yanks
    #42-30212 388/562 Quarterback
    #42-39861 388/562 or 561 Ramp Tramp
    #42-37849 388/560 Red X Darling / Miss Fortune
    #42-31214 388/560 Return Engagement
    #42-97219 388/563 Revel's Revenger / Raoul's Revenge
    #42-32003 388/562 Shoo Shoo Baby
    #42-31393 388/563 Snafu / Snaky
    #42-31135 388/562 Susy Sag Tits
    #42-97241 388/563 The Expectant Father
    #42-30829 388/562 or 563 The Princess Pat
    #42-31741 388/562 Thunderbolt / Hi Fever / Haugh / Haughty Hazy
    #42-30793 388/562 Tom Paine
    #42-30661 388/562 Veni Vidi Vici
    #42-31996 388/561 War Weary / Lady Lillian / Lady Lun
    #42-3262 388/561 Willie Wildcat / Sweetheart / Jeannie
    #42-31138 388/563 Winged Fury

    Have you any of them, Tom?
     
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    Mike Mucha
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2006/11/24 02:51:03 (permalink)
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    I would also like to get my hands on any photos of 42-31214 "Return Engagement" if you have any, or if you see a plane named Lucy Poo as well.  
    Mike: I've seen several of the planes you mentioned in some Freeman books or other nose art books.  Most all are mentioned in the Huntzinger  "The 388th at War" book. Some who have photos in that book are:
    Classy Chassy - Pg. 91
    Jakes Jerks - Pg. 115 barely
    Little Willie - Pg. 83 maybe
    Return Engagement - Pg. 85
    Bottled in Bond - Pg. 93
    Patty Jo - Pg. 95
    Snafu - Pg. 95
    Pegasus Too - Pg. 97
    Little Boy Blue - Pg. 98 & 137
    Tom Paine - Pg. 116
    Heavens Above - Pg. 271
    -MIKE
    post edited by Simonton - 2006/11/24 02:52:26
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2006/11/24 03:07:29 (permalink)
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    Thanks, Mike!
     
    Mike
     
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    Re: RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2008/10/16 20:41:31 (permalink)
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    Hello Tom,
    I'm specially interested by anything about 42-3293 "Slightly Dangerous".
    I'm living in France near the crashplace. I know the story about the crash, but I'm now looking for everything before this sad day, about ship (from her birth) and Lt. Karnezis crew.

    Regards,
    Joanna
    PS Here is the place ( 48° 18’ 46.80 N & 3° 08’ 47.40 E google earth) : http://aerosteles.hydroretro.net/fiche.php?code=champigny-b17&type=py,nd&valeur=fr,89

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    Re: RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2008/10/16 20:51:41 (permalink)
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    Sorry,
    I come back to precise I have already got some good informations on 388th.org site.
    I'd like create a netsite about 42-3293, so I'm very much interested by the human stories. Thank you, everyone.
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    Re: RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2009/04/04 04:08:44 (permalink)
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    I am also looking for information relating to Return Engagement, including missions, crew, dates of service, etc.
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    Re:Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2009/05/26 01:33:20 (permalink)
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    Hello all,
    I am looking for anything on B-17F 42-30802 Gynida.  My father was the Co-Pilot. Chester G Clem.
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    Re:Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2009/05/27 18:57:29 (permalink)
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    Janet -
    # 42 - 30802 " Gynida "
    Ironically , The 388th BG Target was the German
    Cruiser Nurnberg docked at Port of Gydnia. 
    Shot down by German Fighters 10/9/43
    Pilot - 2Lt. Henry Kinney Jr.
    CP - 2LT. Chester Clem
    9 POWs -  1 KIA
    MACR - Missing Air Crew Report # 3138
    MACRs available Online at www.footnote.com
    There is a Fee .
    Mike
     
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2009/12/02 01:51:17 (permalink)
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    Hi,
     
    My Grandfather was the pilot of the Veni Vidi Vici.  I know I've seen pictures of the airplane.  I will ask him if he still has them.  He flew two tours over Europe.  Only 17 missions on the second, he got shot up real bad on the last one and had to land in France.  The war ended before the plane was repaired.  Just out of curiosity, how did you know of the Veni Vidi Vici?
     
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/04 02:48:02 (permalink)
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    Hi Tom -

    My mother found my great uncle, Frank L. Heiden, who, for the last 60 years, thought he had no relatives living and is only about 60 miles from me.
    He was the ball turret gunner on the Pride of the Yanks 42-32004 that ditched 20 miles off the Dutch coast, pilot: Patrick on June 20, 44
    They made landfall in the rubber dingy on the Dutch beach and the survivors spent the last of the war as POW's.

    His crew also flew 42-37849, Red X Darling / Miss Fortune.

    If you've got any pictures or information That would be great (I have the MACR 5921)

    Thanks -
    Marc
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/04 13:49:51 (permalink)
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    Marc -
    www.388thbg.org
    Dick Henggler - Historian
    rlhengg@comcast.net
    Mike
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    Re:Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/04 16:20:38 (permalink)
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    Hi Tom,
     
    Thanks for your offer.  I am interested in two aircraft & two crew members.  All in the 388th BG 561st BSqd.
     
    Aircraft;    Girl of My Dreams #44-6123 &
                                    Heavens Above #42-97328
     
    Crew Members;        T/Sgt.  Tail Gunner  Guy Bollinger
                                                                    T/Sgt.  TT/Engineer Ranold Musolf
     
    Until 6 July 1944 both were in the 1st Lt. Jack Sarten crew.
    Bollinger was wounded on Heavens Above on 6 July 1944.
    Musolf was KIA in a MAC on 16 August 1944.  Any information on either would be most appreciated.  We don't know what crew Bollinger flew with after returning to flight status.
     
    Thank you,
     
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    Re:Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/04 16:50:45 (permalink)
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    Neale -
    T/Sgt. Ronald C. Musolf -
    WW II Hometown- Daneville , MI.
    What other Info on him are you looking for?
    Mike
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/05 18:45:50 (permalink)
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    shooshoobaby

    Marc -
    www.388thbg.org
    Dick Henggler - Historian
    rlhengg@comcast.net
    Mike


    Thanks Mike -
    I talked to Frank  last night - sharp as a whip.
    Will go down to visit in a week or so.

    Apparently there was some paperwork confusion as to his health, as one of the other crew wrote in big letters that he is alive, as "I've talked to him".
    Frank said, "yes, yes, there was some confusion about that".

    I used the MACR coordinates to make a Google Earth link -
    http://bbs.keyhole.com/ub...895761dd3.81254140.kmz
    This is the 8-9 miles off the coast from the MACR, but Heiden remembered that they were more like 20 miles off the coast when they ditched.

    Interestingly, the German paperwork that came with MACR 5921 calls their airplane "fortress"  and not any mention of "B-17".

    Thanks -

    Marc
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/11 14:11:11 (permalink)
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    Tom,
     
    My family is looking for any information on Robert M. Bailey Captain Pilot of #42-39894 388/561 Boomerang Barbara.  He was my grandfather and passed away when I was a teenager.  He did not talk much about the war, but we recently found an article in the 388th Bombardment Group (H) Assn., Inc. about his crew.  We would love to see some pictures or newspaper articles if you have any.

    Thanks
    Clayton 
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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/13 12:36:20 (permalink)
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    Clayton -
    Capt. Bailey was an original Pilot
    in the 561st Sq. He flew some of his first
    Missions on B -17 # 42 - 30207 T  " Big Red ".
    www.388thbg.org  for Photo of " Big Red "
    Mike

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    RE: Virgin on the Verge, B-17 2010/01/15 09:52:40 (permalink)
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    Mike,
     
    Thanks for the info.  I think there was another pilot with the last name Bailey.  My Grandfather flew "Boomerang Barbara" (Barbara) and he did fly some of the first missions, but I don't think it was on "Big Red"
     
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