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Hi, I have a 3 ribbon rack that was my grandfathers and from left to right is : Air Medal, Purple Heart, ETO. That is what he wore.( shouldn`t it have been the purple heart, air medal then eto?) He also had a Good conduct pin back ,never saw worn in his pictures. I know he was entitled to American Campaign and Victory. I didn`t have these but bought original replacements. If I would display all these how would they be racked under a set of gunner wings?  All I have is a picture of him wearing just the one row  under his wings.
 
Ex: top 3- purple heart,air medal ,good conduct
       botttom3 - american Campaign , eto, victory ?
 
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Rob

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    captn71
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    One question:  Did he have the "Air Medal" or the "Airmans Medal"?  If it was the Air Medal, then the Purple Heart would come first.  If it was the Airmans Medal, then that would come before the PH.  So, if it was the Air Medal, the order would be:
    Top Row:
    Purple Heart, Air Medal, Good Conduct (if there was an Airmans Medal, it would precede the Purple Heart).
    2nd Row:
    American Theater Campaign, ETO, Victory.
     
    Here's a site to help you out (although this is a current USAF listing, the display order hasn't changed):
    http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/display/usaf.htm
     
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    Thank you, It is the Air Medal with 2 OLC`s. I don`t know why it was in the order it was on his rack. Guess I have some re- arranging to do to put them in proper order.
     
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    I should add some clarification here:
    The Airmans Medal shown in the link I provided is the newer USAF version of the original Army Soldiers Medal.  In 1960 the USAF replaced the Army Soldiers Medal with the Airmans Medal, which was different in color.
     
    Army (USAAF) Soldiers Medal (pre 1960):

     
    USAF Airmans Medal (post 1960):

     
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    Rob, the Air Medal before the Purple Heart is correct for WWII, the PH didn't take precedence over the AM until sometime after Vietnam, so it is right. Mark
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    Rob,
    Mark is right about the WW2 Air Medal and I humbly stand corrected. 
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    I had never noticed my father's Air Medal being before his Purple Heart.  On his uniforms from the 60's the Purple Heart is before the Air Medal but form his portrait after returning from England the Air Medal is before the Purple Heart.  See the attached closeup.
     
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    Hi, I looked at a few photos (with a microscope lens) and looked at the service ribbons on his chest and that was the order they were in just like the picture posted above(without the one on top) When I found them in his scrap book they were taped to a page and underneath each ribbon he wrote what it was. I knew there had to be a reason why that was how it was worn so I left it alone as is. I just put the other rack of 3 I made up underneath with the good conduct,american campaign and the ww2 victory. Any mistake on anybodys part is understandable. It all can get confusing. I still can`t make out though if he was wearing gunner wings or the crewman badge.To bad he is no longer with us for me to ask all these questions and get the answers from the source himself! It is funny though that while he was alive he never talked about his service time and all I knew was that he was a ball turret gunner in the Army Air Force. It was not until after my grandmother passed 2 years ago that I ended up with all the stuff he saved,silk maps,complete scrapbook,hand written mission log etc.Then I got the research bug and it has now become a hobby and I am dam proud of what he did!!!!   I think it is important for us younger generation to keep these memories and this history alive! It was one of the most important time in American history! My hat off to all the vets!! My father was a Vietnam Vet bronze star recipient with a V device for valour. I come from good blood lines and proud of it! -  Rob
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    Duke,
    The photos of your father's ribbons right after the war and then during the 1960s would make sense:  Upon his return from England in WW2, he would have been wearing the ribbons in the order prescribed at that time: ie--The Air Medal would have come before the PH.  In the 60s, as Mark said, the PH took precedence over the Air Medal, so, if he was still active duty then, he would have rearranged their order so that the PH came before the Air Medal.
     
    Rob,
    Can you post the photo you referred to?  Someone here may be able to positively ID the wings for you. However, since you say he was a ball turret gunner, I'll be willing to bet that he's wearing Gunner's Wings.  I've known a couple of WW2 B-24 gunners and they were pretty proud of those wings.  
    I know what you are feeling about trying to research a relative's WW2 history after he is gone.  It can be frustrating, but, in the end, very rewarding.  Keep it up!!
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    Thank you PA Dutchman, I will Keep it in mind.Captn71, I will try and post a few pictures I have if I figure out how.The only doubt I had about the wings is I started another post wondering if since he graduated from Las Vegas Gunnery School in Sept. of 1942 if  he would have been issued them. I read that they were not out and issued until April of 1943.I could stand corrected on this. I will try and post some pics.I have some pics of him in his A-2 jacket with wings and name tag when he was home on leave before going overseas and some in his uniform when he returned state side.
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    Hi,
    Here are some pictures. Besides the wings, can anybody tell me what the patch is on the left shoulder? Is that a Army Air Forces in Europe patch? Thanks.

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    Rob,
    After extensively "messing" with the photos in Photoshop, it's still very hard to tell, but I think he's wearing Aircrew wings.  As for the shoulder patch, it looks like 8th AF.  
     
    Thanks for posting them.
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    You may be right. The best picture is the one by the pole and the badge looks like it has to round of a center spot to be gunner wings. I have another wedding photo from another angle and he has an armament specialist patch on his lower right sleeve. Maybe he only wore the aircrew badge? Maybe he didn`t get gunner wings in Sept of 1942? Maybe he only wore the gunner wings while in combat overseas and wore the aircrew badge when he came back to the states since he was still in and at a bunch of bases for a following year until getting discharged in Oct 0f 1945 ? Too many maybe`s. Thanks for taking a look!
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    The first wings on the left are the Aircrew Wings and the ones on the right are Gunner's Wings.  If your dad wore the Gunners Wings then he must also have been rated as an Aerial Gunner and, as such, was authorized to wear them.  He obviously had been qualified both as an Armament Specialist (Armorer) and as an Aerial Gunner.  As a rated gunner he would have been an aircrew member and authorized to wear the Aircrew Wings as well.  
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