I am trying to track down the Me 109's (?) that were shot down by B-17 42-30031 on June 26, 1943 on a mission to Villacoublay and Poissy.  The USAAF EE reports have (2) Me's as confirmed by (3) crew members and (2) Frenchmen but the Luftwaffe have no record of this at all - only (1) damaged Bf 109 of 12./JG 2.  There are Luftwaffe records of losses on the outward journey but the USAAF claims happened on the inward journey because they had just started their run on the target.  Does anyone know where I can find more information to help clarify this?
 
There is a document called the: Narratives of Operations by the 8th AF but the source I have (lesbutler.ip3.co.uk) only has excerpts and not the dates I need.

Grandson of:
T/SGT William Aguiar
384th 544th
B-17 42-30031 (the Bad Penny)

Brian -
You should take into consideration that reports aren't always 100% Accurate.
If the Formation was approaching the Target , there would have been Heavy Flak.
LW Fighters broke off their attacks in these situations to avoid being hit by
their own AA. They would wait until the Formation was out of Range to resume
their attacks.
Mike 

Thank you, Mike.  My stubborness lies with the fact that the USAAF report I am referencing is in my grandfather's handwriting and states that he and the tail gunner saw the (2) 109's go down.  The weather was bad and there was only light flak at the coast.  Also, he said at this point of the raid (the target) there was no fighter support for the bombers so the only way a Luftwaffe would have gone down would have been by the B-17's (correct?).

Grandson of:
T/SGT William Aguiar
384th 544th
B-17 42-30031 (the Bad Penny)

Brian - You first post Claims approaching Target , then you Post
That it was at the Coast ? When you Post a request , please include
ALL the info you have - .
FYI -
The 4th FG , 56th FG , 78th FG were all assigned Escort this day.
Since Range for P - 47s was limited , they could only cover part
of the Attack and Withdrawal.
4th FG  shot down 2 ME 109s near Dieppe - on the Coast.
Mike
 

Brian,
 
Don't have an answer for you but reading the posts I think the 2 MEs that Mike is referring to are probably different from the ones your grandfather reported.  As I read your posts the MEs went down in the vicinity of either Poissy or Villacoublay.  Poissy is about 100 miles from Dieppe and Villacoublay is about another 20 miles further south.  You refer to E&E reports, was your grandfather shot down on this raid?
 
Hal

My apologies for not being more clear, Mike.  The German flak was only at the coast as they (the USAAF) came into France then the flak stopped as the weather was bad and the  German ground crew could probably not determine who was who in the air.  The B-17 claims (of two 109's) were as they (the USAAF) were approaching the target (Villacoublay).  The Luftwaffe records only show losses when they (the 109's/190's) were chasing the B-17's back out after the raid.  Their losses are placed by the coast only.
 
Yes, Hal, he was. I have (2) EE reports: my grandfather's and another crewman.  Between these reports there are (3) crewmen and (2) Frenchmen that ID (2) Luftwaffe fighters shot down in the vicinity of the targets.  The Luftwaffe show no such thing that I can find.
 
I hope that is more clear.

Grandson of:
T/SGT William Aguiar
384th 544th
B-17 42-30031 (the Bad Penny)