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There is anecdotal evidence that Legge's efforts were also intended to mollify the obstructional elements of the Swiss authorities, notably within its' national defense forces. i.e., "my office is doing the best it can under difficult circumstances. We might do a better job if your government was less obstructionist, would allow my staff to utilize additional internees as support staff, would grant my office greater access to see the internees, ....etc, etc." (these are my words, not quotes - posted for the purpose of illustrating an issue)
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wcarah, I would love to get a copy of that report. How can i get in contact with you? Zane
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I have read several of the online versions of the War Crimes testimony given by former inmates at Wauwilermoos prison, and one of them mentions my grandfather, Carl MacDonald. I have only seen the online text of these testimonies, however. Does anyone know where I might find copies of the original documents?
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zversyp, Did Carl MacDonald receive the POW Medal? Robert
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Not yet, Robert. He passed away almost a decade ago, but I'm trying to get as much information together as possible to try and get that done. I'm aware that it may not be possible, but I'd like to try anyway. Since I know that it isn't as easy as it should be, I'm trying to make an overwhelming case for him befoer I make the attempt. Zane
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Hello, May I ask ? In regard to American's interned in Switzerland. Were there any American internees held in Switzerland in WW1 ? Lt Col H. P. Picot CBE does not seem to mention any in his 1919 book which admittedly is mainly about British internees, but does give details of French and of German interest but I could see no mention of any Americans held. The book gives great details of the workings of how things were organised and includs chapters on Visits of relatives and how this was funded , details of work and education of internees . Thanks Alex
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There were at least three U.S. airmen interned in World War I. Second Lieutenant James Ashenden crash-landed his French Nieuport 28 fighter in Solothurn Canton on June 24, 1918. Lieutenants Thomas Fuller and Virgil Brookhart of the 135th Aero Squadron landed their De Havilland 4 airplane near Fahy on September 12, 1918 after they became disoriented in a cloud bank.
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Good info.
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This is from Aerospace Power Journal (Summer 2000) - “The Diplomacy of Apology: U.S. Bombings of Switzerland during World War II” By Dr. Jonathan E. Helmreich __________________________ During this period the United States was ably represented in Switzerland by its experienced minister, Leland Harrison, by the military attache, Brigadier General Barnwell R. Legge, and by the counselor to the Legation, Jerome K. Huddle. The Legation at Bern was a sensitive assignment, for the Swiss heard much, and discreet inquiries could produce valuable information. It was important that United States officials be favorably received and granted access to as many persons as possible. There was also the matter of the increasing numbers of grounded U .S. airmen interned by the Swiss. Their treatment and speed of repatriation could be greatly influenced by Swiss views of the American air war. Key to any list of sensitive issues was the matter of Swiss trade with the Axis and the willingness of the Swiss to allow goods in transit between Italy and Germany to pass over their railway lines. International law on this matter is complex, especially when the neutral power, virtually surrounded by one group of forces, must exercise discretion. _____________________ For the text of the full article (fascinating reading, BTW) click on: http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj00/sum00/helmreich.html
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Legge worked in difficult diplomatic climate. - Switzerland was the only neutral nation in the ETO to be surrounded by Axis-conrolled territory. The flight paths from Allied airbases to many Axis targets would pass over/near Swiss soil.
- While the Swiss diplomatic corps and its national government had many "unofficial" and back-channel supporters of the Allied nations and/or hostile to Nazi operations, Switzerland also had many German sympathizers within its government.
- It was the "Birthplace of the Geneva Convention" and host of the International Committeee of the Red Cross, was focused on above-question-adherence to the Hague Convention and Geneva Convention. Kind of a two-edged sword.
- The Swiss citizenry was not overwhelmingly enamored to the US Air Corps. USAAF (and RAF) had bombed/strafed Swiss communities, rail yards, trains, industrial areas, and had shot down Swiss fighters that were patrolling over Swiss airspace.
- Swiss canton (similar to a state or province) governments were howling that some internees were often "hooligans" on the streets and in local establishments, committing civil crimes (some very serious).
Legge had to tip-toe thru a series of diplomatic sh!t-storms which hampered his efforts to address the outrages of Straflager Wauwilermoos. I have access to info that he wrote no less than 11 cables and official diplomatic letters of protest to the Secretary of State and the Swiss Legation. The fact that escaping internees and "a few internee's-turned-hooligan" were stripped of internship status (and therefore treated as domestic criminals rather that military internees) made protests to be treated less-han-cordially by the Swiss National Goverment, although the Straflager Wauwilermoos commandant was eventually was court-martialled, imprisoned for three years and stripped of his rank and pension.
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Hello, Just read the replies following on from my WW1 question. Sorry to have strayed from the original so many thanks for the response. Alex
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That was a good question, Alex. The three American internees held in Switzerland in WW I were actually part of the post-war international discussions of treatment and fate of aircraft that found their way into non-belligerent airspace. The Hague Conventions had been rendered somewhat obsolete by the changes in tactics, equipment and technology of WW I. At the end of WW I, the Washington Conference on the Limitations of Armaments in 1921 established the "Commission of Jurists." Delegations from six countries (Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, and the United States) met at The Hague during the period from 11 DEC 1922 to 19 FEB 1923. The Commission of Jurists wrote "The Hague Rules of Air Warfare" a highly organized, comprehensive code for control of aviation in warfare (62 articles) and formed the basis for the tenets of the Geneva Convention, which "blessed" the Commission of Jurists report that included the Hague Rules of Air Warfare. While both the military of all of the the Allies and Axis Powers foreswore to adhere to its precepts, the U.S. government never officially ratified the Hague Rules of Air Warfare because of the isolationist political climate of the 1930's. (US congressional leaders didn't feel the U.S. had a dog in the brewing European fight.) So, it was ironic to the Swiss that the U.S. expected the Swiss to adhere to the "The Hague Rules of Air Warfare" sections on treatment of interned air crews, even though the US Congress did not feel it worthy of ratification.
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