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2010/10/05 06:22:16 (permalink)
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SAD SACK II

Was there any B17 to the nickname of "Sad Sack II" in 379th BG?
I have a picture of Glen Hufnail and crew in front of "SAD SACK II", but no date
Hufnail and creww bailed out over Belgium on march 2 1944 when their B17 42-31799 wes hit by flak.
Could 42-31799 be "SAD SACK II"?
Thanks a lot.
Phil

Phil in Bruxelles, Belgium

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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 11:45:19 (permalink)
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    Phil,
    My dad Derwood Eugene "Jack" Macklin was the first person on the top row in the picture. He was the Flight Engineer/Top Turrett Gunner. He was captured after hiding out for a while under a house and sent to Stalag Luft 4 & 6. He was on the 1000 mile death march before being liberated. He lived in Adel Iowa when he enlisted. He lived the rest of his life in Redfield Iowa. His plane was a B-17-G-30-BO serial number 42-31799 in the 379th BG 527th BS MACR 2736.  He told me that Sad Sak II was the training plane. He mentioned "Chalker Dog" as another plane he flew in. I still don't know the name of the plane he was shot down in. I did receive a few pictures from Belgium several years back. They mentioned that they have on annual celebration and have part of the plane there. If you have any info please share it. I will try to contact Charles Lambert to get the name of the plane. Thanks, Jerome Macklin
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 12:26:13 (permalink)
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    Jerome,
    Do you have an original copy of the photo?  I think this is one of those training planes that has yet to be identified and I keep thinking surely someone has an original copy they can blow up and read the serial number in the data block.  Crews from numerous groups had their photo taken in front of this plane, but no one seams to know what its serial was.
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 17:52:18 (permalink)
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    I believe A/C 42-31799  was assigned to the 527th BS on 02/07/1944. According to most documents I have it was never assigned a permanent crew and went missing on 3/02/1944. I show A/C# 42-31799 had no official Nose Art. But I have found that many airmen named their craft for the day whether it had a name or not. Many Airmen never got an aircraft assignment on a permanent basis because they were reserve personnel. They were assigned what ever was available but many told me they had a name or a good luck procedure anyway. In the 379th BG 1/4 of the personnel an aircraft were held in a reserve capacity during 1944 & by 1945 the old crew to one Aircraft procedure was passe'. Sad Sack is near the bottom.
     
    Here is the best list I have been able to compile thus far:
     
    Aircraft Contract#    --  Unit #       --     Nose Art
    Aircraft Contract #'s are sometimes confused with Serial #'s. All Aircraft had both. Case in point:
    Swamp Fire's Serial Number was A/C # 20292- Contract # 42-32024- Unit designator WA- L-4
    because of many reasons the 8th decided to use a variety of paint schemes to apply & some where even esigned by the various units & approved by the 8th.  Below is a list of most of the 379th BG Aircraft with contract numbers-unit designators & known nose art.

    41-24583

    41-9100                                                                                       Birmingham Blitzkrieg

    42-102627       -  Q-7                                                             Queenie

    42-102628     -   P-7                                                                 G.I. Jane

    42-102675      -  O-53

    42-102689                                                                                 Lady Luck  

    42-102690     -   O-7

    42-102961  

    42-102974                                                                                      Hellcat Agnes  

    42-106985

    42-106998                                                                                         Paper Doll

    42-107004      -  S-5  

    42-107014      -  R-7, K-7                                                                 Lucy  

    42-107051  

    42-107068      -  O-4                                                                      Powerful Katrinka

    42-107082                                                                                       Lassie Come Home

    42-107128      -  R-5

    42-107146      -  G-5                                                                     Mairzy Doats

    42-107169

    42-107175 Z-5

    42-107213     -   F-4                                                                         Rubble Rouser  

    42-2000

    42-29072      -  B-5

    42-29511                                                                                            The Iron Maiden

    42-29624      -  N-7                                                                        Pappy

    42-29633      -  C-5  

    42-29653                                                                                         Bad News

    42-29694      -  X  

    42-29705  

    42-29713  

    42-29718     -   C-6, F-4                                                                 Fatso  

    42-29724      -  H-6  

    42-29746  

    42-29747      -  D-7                                                                       Rikki-Tikki-Tavi II  

    42-29759      -  K-5                                                                       Gay Cavalleros  

    42-29772     -   R-4  

    42-29773      -  P-6  

    42-29776     -   F-4  

    42-29787      -  E-5                                                                           Wilder Nell

    42-29796  

    42-29797

    42-29802     -   M-7                                                                         Ruthie II  

    42-29824     -   G-5                                                                            Fearless Fosdike  

    42-29829     -   P-7                                                                             Sons O'Satan  

    42-29830      -  A-5                                                                          Peter Wabbit  

    42-29864     -   E-5  

    42-29866     -   L-4                                                                             Judy B  

    42-29869       -  J-5                                                                              Damndifino  

    42-29875  

    42-29876       -  B-5                                                                              Battlin Bobbie

    42-29878       -   G-6                                                                          Lady Godiva  

    42-29886      -  H-5  

    42-29889      -  H-6,E&F                                                                 Rocky  

    42-29890      -  J-6                                                                            Stupefier

    42-29891      -  N-4                                                                           Dangerous Dan  

    42-29892      -  N-7  

    42-29893     -   Q-4

    42-29896       -  V-7                                                                          Tondelayo

    42-29897                                                                                          Censored 1

    42-29898  

    42-29901      -  K-5, K-6  

    42-29905       -  Z-6                                                                          Suffern Sall

    42-29915       -  U-4                                                                           Thunder God

    42-29927      -  F-4

    42-29933                                                                                               Panama Hatti

    42-29934      --G-6

    42-29937      -  G-6

    42-29942

    42-29946       -  X-5

    42-29963     -   I-7                                  Judy

    42-29997       -  A-7                                 Sack

    42-30001                                                   Mary Ann  

    42-30107        -  E-6                               Black Magic  

    42-30158                                                    Mary Jane II

    42-30165       -  M-4

    42-30191       -  C-5                                  The Belovich

    42-30192

    42-3023                                                      Boozeness

    42-30237      -  V-4                                 Stump Jumper

    42-30271

    42-30298        -  M-4                                Ragin Red II  

    42-30309                                                     Ragin Red

    42-3048       -  I-5


    42-3056      -   F-4, P-7

    42-3061

    42-3072       -  B-5  

    42-30720      -  O-5                              Nine Yanks and a Rebel

    42-30731      -  U

    42-3099      -  R-7

    42-31021      -  K-4                              Whirlway  

    42-31028     -   C-4                              Mojo

    42-31040                                              Duffy's Tavern  

    42-31043       -  L-6                            Elsie Mae

    42-31050      -  R-5  

    42-31083     -   A-5                             Tenny Belle  

    42-31085       -  D-5                           Anita Marie / Mehit

    42-31093      -  L-5                            Deacons Sinners

    42-31119        -  L-4

    42-3113          -  F-5  

    42-3114           -  T-5  

    42-31189          - X                                    Paragon

    42-31228      -F-5                               London Avenger

    42-3132

    42-3138      -  M-7                             Eight Ball  

    42-31394      -  D-5                           Aphrodite  

    42-3143                                                 Werewolf  

    42-3145      -  W-4                  The Gremlin  

    42-3148     -   A-7

    42-31510                                    Paper Doll  

    42-31535  

    42-3154  

    42-31555      -  H-7  

    42-31592      -  R-5                  Nobody's Baby  

    42-31597      -  C-7,                  O Linda

    42-31643

    42-31648       -  H-6                  Ensign Mary

    42-31663      -   G-4                  Tag A Long  

    42-3167      -  S-7                       Ye Old Pub

    42-31720       -  H-4, M-4       Blue Blazing Blizza

    42-3175       -  T-4                      The HA

    42-3176                                          Lady Astrid

    42-31779      -  J-4                      This Is It

    42-31799       -  X-7

    42-31801       -  B-5, R-5

    42-31822       -  U-4  

    42-31915      -  Y-7, R-4             Mary Jo

    42-31927      -  F-7

    42-31972       -  F-6                     Gamecock  

    42-3199           -  S-4, Z-4          Calamity Jane  

    42-32000       -  P-4                   Mojo/Twentieth Century

    42-32024       -  L-4                    Swamp Fire  

    42-32091  

    42-32093     -   N-4                    Big Barn Smell  

    42-3212  

    42-3258       -  T-5  

    42-3269       -  B-6                       Picadilly Willy  

    42-3292  

    42-3300  

    42-3325        -Y-4                       Paddys Gremlin  

    42-3398

    42-3487     -  E-5

    42-3500      -   J-5

    42-3524       -  G-7                  Vonnie Gal  

    42-3559  

    42-37728

    42-37732      -  R-4                   The Celestial Siren  

    42-37764       -  P-6                   Dragon Lady  

    42-37768       -  J-6  

    42-37784      -  P-5                     The Old Fox  

    42-37787       -  C  

    42-37791       -   S                           Blues in the Night  

    42-37805       -  B-4, B-7            Carol Dawn

    42-37825

    42-37851       -  C-7, O-4

    42-37859      -  Y-7                        Fightin Cock  

    42-37887      - H-4  

    42-37888       -  J-7  

    42-37934      -  X-4

    42-37951

    42-38036  

    42-38057                                         Flak Rabbit

    42-38058       -  C-6

    42-38082      -  L-5

    42-38111          -  M-5, H-4  

    42-38141       -  D-4                       Pansy Yokum  

    42-38161      -  O-5                        Sarah Jane  

    42-38183      -  C-5                     The Lost Angel

    42-38185      -  J-6

    42-38192      -  O-4, C-4  

    42-39762      -  N-4  

    42-39763

    42-39779     -   F-6  

    42-39782                                      Pistol Packin' Mama

    42-39783      -  B-6                    Blues in the Nite  

    42-39789      -  W-5, N-7        Skunkface  

    42-39800     -   T-4                    Patches  

    42-39828      -  B-5                     Penny Ante  

    42-39889       -  H-6, F-,K-7  

    42-39968                                     Petrol Packin MaMa

    42-39980       -  C                         Just So  

    42-40003      -  H-4                   Ol Gappy / Topper

    42-40018       -  Y-7  

    42-5379      -  W-7  

    42-5407                                Fightin' Pappy

    42-5736                                 Tampa Tornado  

    42-5809      -   O-7              Mary Jane  

    42-5810     -   S-2

    42-5813        -  S-5

    42-5816        -  Q-7                 Polly  

    42-5820       -  C-6  

    42-5821      -  O-7                    Cindy  

    42-5822      -   G-5  

    42-5827        -  E-6, Y-6        Lakanuki

    42-5828        - O-4                   Sweater Girl  

    42-5829

    42-5830        - T-5                    Hag of Harderwyk

    42-5839       -  X-6, T-4  

    42-5859        -  Y-7

    42-5909

    42-5917  

    42-5929      -   N-7               Flying Jenny  

    42-5970       -  T

    42-8929

    42-9165       -  M-4

    42-97087                                   Tujunga I  

    42-97128      -  M-5, M-6       Screwball Express  

    42-97163       -  R-7                   Snow White  

    42-97170      - A-7                    Julie Mae  

    42-9718          -  F-4

    42-97229       -  Q-4                  Hi Ho Silver  

    42-97261       -  P-7  

    42-97270      -  H-7                  Red Dragon  

    42-97291  

    42-97302       -  B-5, N-5       Scotch N' Soda  

    42-97370                                   The Hellion  

    42-97462       - O-7, C-7        Julie II  

    42-97469       -  L-7                  Busy Baby

    42-97485       -  G                      Taletha Ann  

    42-97502      -  D-7  

    42-97514

    42-97520                                     Peg-O-My-Heart  

    42-97522

    42-97523

    42-97532       -  V-5

    42-97533      -  E-4

    42-97552

    42-97569  

    42-97574

    42-97592

    42-97651

    42-97660

    42-97675       -  O-5

    42-97678     -   J-5           The Birmingham Jewe1

    42-97691

    42-97699

    42-97703

    42-97704

    42-97740

    42-97777

    42-97778

    42-97825                               Phyllis  

    42-97833       -  L-5            Silver Dollar  

    42-97878      -   J-5

    42-97890                               Lil Satan  

    42-97932     -   H-5

    42-97933                               Gilded Orion  

    42-97942                               Heavenly Body II  

    42-97967     -   W-4            Hun Runner

    42-97980  

    42-98034  

    42-986

    42-9889

    43-37554  

    43-37570       -  K-4            Miss Liberty  

    43-37622  

    43-37677      -  A-4  

    43-37743  

    43-37755                             Everybody's Baby 54

    43-37777      -  Q-5            Four Of A Kind

    43-37832  

    43-37851      -  O-4            Goo Goo  

    43-37855      -  T-4            Boomerangs Big Fr

    43-37903                             Toodles Boy  

    43-37905 B-4  

    43-37932                              Spratt-O-Liner  

    43-37934      -  X-4             Million Dollar Baby  

    43-37950      -  M-7            Gravel Gertie

    43-37951                                Red Dragon  

    43-38049      -  S-7  

    43-38092  

    43-38178      -   P-5            Seattle Sue  

    43-38237                             Dallas Doll

    43-38238     -   J-7

    43-38256                              Our Baby  

    43-38272     -   D-5            The Thumper  

    43-38275       -  F-7            Take Me Home

    43-38387  

    43-38388       -  G-4  

    43-38420      -   J-6  

    43-38431       -   J-7  

    43-38466        -  X-4  

    43-38539        -  W-7

    43-38577  

    43-38633  

    43-38654  

    43-38679                            Miss Liberty  

    43-38685  

    43-38695  

    43-38704      -  U-7, D-7  

    43-38716                            Miss Anoxia

    43-38722      -  M-7  

    43-38724                          The B-17 Flying Fo  

    43-38745  

    43-38759                           Dimples

    43-38783  

    43-38818  

    43-38835      -  X-7  

    43-38874                           Pipe Dream  

    43-38955  

    43-38979

    43-39003

    43-39016  

    43-39061                           Round Twip Wabbit

    43-39076  

    43-39094

    43-39111  

    43-39113  

    43-39147  

    43-39165

    43-39208

    43-39212  

    43-39229

    44-6004                         Ronny Boy  

    44-6022      -  N-7  

    44-6094     -   N-5  

    44-6107  

    44-6119      -  A-6            White Lightnin  

    44-6133  

    44-6140      -  U-7            Miss Lace

    44-6143      -  A-5            Miss Behavin

    44-6172  

    44-6459      -  G-5

    44-6507                            Lucky Patch

    44-6561  

    44-6602                             Slew Foot Sue  

    44-6614

    44-6835                              Star Dust  

    44-6906                              Constipated Lady

    44-6912  

    44-6915  

    44-6965

    44-8017      -  X-7            The Sad Sack

    44-8047  

    44-8110      -  Y-4  

    44-8136      -  X-5

    44-8137

    44-8155      -  Z-5

    44-8198  

    44-8262  

    44-8275     -   P-7  

    44-8277  

    44-8310      -  P-4  

    44-83288

    44-8369  

    44-8425      -  T-7            Connie  

    44-8435                             Picadilly Lilly

    44-8451                              Butch

    44-8469                             Ho

    44-8501                             Jeanie

    44-8589                            Pretty Olga 

    44-8669  

    44-8748  

    44-8788  

    44-8813      -  Z-5  

    44-8837                            Stormy Weather  

    44-8845  

    44-8900                            Carico Joe  

    44-8918

     
     
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 18:24:11 (permalink)
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    Cody -
    # 42-31799
    2/7/44 Assigned 524th SQ.  WA C
    Then Assigned 525th SQ.  FR C
    Then Assigned 527th SQ.  FO X
    3/2/44 Shot Down
    Photos:
    B-17 Fortress at War  by Roger Freeman  Page 157
    Shades of Kimbolton
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/10 20:08:12 (permalink)
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    Cody -
    # 42 - 29759 FR K  " GAY CABALLEROS " Spelling
    # 42 - 29890 525th Sq. FR E  " Stupifier "
                          526th SQ. LF J  " Madame Pisonya "
                                                   " Battlin Bobbie "
    #42 - 29905 LF K/Z  also Named  " 4-Q-2 " 
    #42 - 30298  FR M  also named " Tender Tit Tillie "
    # 43 - 38420 " Yvonne "
    #42 - 31043 LF L  Also named " Hell's Belle "
    #42 - 38058 LF C  " The Wish Bone "
    #43 - 37662 FO F  " Phyllis "
    #43 - 38716 K  Also named " Liberty Run Kids "
    # 43 - 37976  " Lille Marlene "
    #42 - 29886 FR H " Scheherazade "
    #44 - 6602  also named " This Is It "
    # 44 - 83288 S " The Grim Reaper " 
                             " Lady Ann "
    Last B-17 assigned to 379th BG
    I will probably have a few more,
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/11 11:20:11 (permalink)
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    Hello my friend,
    I understand the significance of the letter O for the 42-107268 Powerful Katrinka
    but what is the significance of the number 4 after the letter (for example: O-4 for PK).
    Thank you !

    I write the stories of these two bombers lost on the same day (25 June 1944) during the same mission:
     
    B-17G 42-107068 "Powerful Katrinka" (379th BG - 524th BS)

    B-17G 42-97292 "Bachelors Bride" (91st BG - 322nd BS)
     
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/11 15:11:33 (permalink)
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    Thierry- The best I can figure after talking with others is that there were as many as 40 aircraft at any given time in a bomber squadron. This being said we have to realize that there were only 26 possible combinations using the alphabet only as an aircraft designator. The 379th BG had as many as 350 aircraft during it's time of operations. Although some records do not reflect the entire aircraft designator as with Swamp Fire being WA-L-4 we have come to know it as WA-L (Informally) but there were other aircraft in the 542th BS that had the WA-L designation. Swamp Fire received the # 4 possibly meaning it was the fourth aircraft to have WA-L.
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2011/08/13 09:22:03 (permalink)
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    Ok,
    thank you for these informations.
    -Thierry -
     

    I write the stories of these two bombers lost on the same day (25 June 1944) during the same mission:
     
    B-17G 42-107068 "Powerful Katrinka" (379th BG - 524th BS)

    B-17G 42-97292 "Bachelors Bride" (91st BG - 322nd BS)
     
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    Re:SAD SACK II 2013/05/26 23:02:43 (permalink)
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    Phil,
    My dad Derwood Eugene "Jack" Macklin was the first person on the top row in the picture. He was the Flight Engineer/Top Turrett Gunner. He was captured after hiding out for a while under a house and sent to Stalag Luft 4 & 6. He was on the 1000 mile death march before being liberated. He lived in Adel Iowa when he enlisted. He lived the rest of his life in Redfield Iowa. His plane was a B-17-G-30-BO serial number 42-31799 in the 379th BG 527th BS MACR 2736.  He told me that Sad Sak II was the training plane. He mentioned "Chalker Dog" as another plane he flew in. I still don't know the name of the plane he was shot down in. I did receive a few pictures from Belgium several years back. They mentioned that they have on annual celebration and have part of the plane there. If you have any info please share it. I will try to contact Charles Lambert to get the name of the plane. Thanks, Jerome Macklin



    Hello Jerome,
    If you are interested, I have a great deal of information about your father's time on the ground, his fellow would-be evaders, his helpers and his betrayers. If you care to exchange any information with me you can contact me directly at: mooresleblanc@gmail.com.
     
    Regards,
    Michael
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