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Robert G Rose - 39th FS

Hi All,

I'm currently searching for the serial of the P-39 Robert G Rose of the 39th Fighter Squadron was flying when his aircraft crashed on take off on June 25, 1942.  He was rescued by three members of the 96th Engineers General Service Regiment who were all awarded the Soldier Medal.

The details on the loss can be found at:
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-39/rose.html

Note that Rose had apparently suffered a landing accident at Port Moresby on June 6, 1942 while flying P-39F 41-7271.  Baugher's site lists this aircraft as crashing July 12, 1943 in Florida.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated...

Daniel Leahy
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    gordonb
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    He'd be right.

    The highest FY numbered P-39D/F Airframe(Excluding 41-28***/38***'s) that came to Australia March-July 1942 was P-39F 41-7235

    I'll confirm the serial soon. It is stated 41-7121 but that ship was wrecked USA 07/03/42 too

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    I have that history card microfilm reel..
    ACR-24:41-6040/41-8100  
     
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    Hi Chaps
     
    Given the period, I'm incline to say start looking also in ACR-11.
     
    What does that mean? Me thinks its more likely a P-400 given the period and what they were equipped with per TOE. Cross transition or "topup" of P-39Fs didn't happen until August 42 or there abouts.
    I could be wrong, but I think the "271" Number  came off the "tip of the tail",.......aka Box Number. If so,..it could be in the range of BW1??
     
    Just thinking out loud for the moment
     
    Hmmm
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    ORIGINAL: gordonb

    Hi Chaps

    Given the period, I'm incline to say start looking also in ACR-11.

    What does that mean? Me thinks its more likely a P-400 given the period and what they were equipped with per TOE. Cross transition or "topup" of P-39Fs didn't happen until August 42 or there abouts.
    I could be wrong, but I think the "271" Number  came off the "tip of the tail",.......aka Box Number. If so,..it could be in the range of BW1??

    Just thinking out loud for the moment

    Hmmm
    Gordy B 
    [/quote
     
    In continuation of thinking out loud I offer more food for thought
     
    AH-728   (c/n 14-159)
    AH738 (c/n 14-169)
    BW-114 (c/n 14-306)
    BW144 (c/n 14-336)
    BX-167  (c/n 14-359)
    BX-174 (c/n 14-415)
     
    Did the tail numbers correspond to the manufactures constrution number?
     
    Rob

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    ACR-11 * 08320/KF232
    ACR-12 * KF233 Z7499
     
    I sent these to Joe Baugher awhile back he has them on his P-39 website
     
     
    Disposition of P-400s AH728 (c/n 14-159) transferred to USSR. Reports that it was lost at sea, but other reports have it
    actually having been delivered. There are reports of this plane being diverted to Austraila
    and condemed there Sept 3, 1944.
    AH735/738
    AH737 not delivered to Britain, To USSR. There are reports of this plane being diverted to
    Australia Mar 1942, and condemned there Apr 13, 1943.
    AP266/268 to USAAF
    AP274 to USAAF
    AP278 to USAAF
    AP280 to USAAF
    AP287 to USAAF
    AP290 to USAAF
    AP291 to USAAF
    AP295 to USAAF
    AP297 to USAAF
    AP300 to USAAF
    AP304 to USAAF
    AP305 to USAAF
    AP319 to USAAF
    AP322 to USAAF
    AP326/346 to USAAF
    AP335 to USAAF. crashed landed Aug 2, 1943 at Lakekamu River, PNG
    AP347 to USAAF. force landed Aug 20, 1943 at emergency strip with 36th FS of 8th FG. Retrieved by RAAF Chinook and
    now rests at the Jackson's Airport Pilots Club in a fenced enclosure.
    AP348/357 to USAAF
    AP359/360 to USAAF
    AP361 to USAAF. Pilot bailed out near 14-Mile Drome PNG Jun 18, 1942.
    AP362/383 to USAAF
    BW100/105 to USAAF
    BW107/108 to USAAF
    BW110/117 to USAAF.
    BW114 was c/n 14-306 and came to Australia Apr 1942 for conversion for RAAF. Damaged
    Feb 10, 1943, condemned Apr 1, 1944.
    BW118 delivered to RAF and returned to USAAF
    BW119/130 to USAAF
    BW134/148 to USAAF
    BW150/168 to USAAF
    BW169 to USAAF. pilot bailed north of Port Moresby PNG Jun 18, 1942.
    BW170/183 to USAAF
    BX135 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX136 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942
    BX137 to USAAF. wrecked at Tontouta AB, New Caledonia Jun 7, 1942
    BX138 to USAAF. wrecked at Tontouta AB, New Caledonia Jun 9, 1942
    BX139 to USAAF. condemned Oct 27, 1943
    BX140 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX141 to USAAF wrecked Jan 28, 1942 at Margualo Station. Pilot bailed out OK.
    BX142 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX143 to USAAF. condemned Apr 27, 1943
    BX144 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX145 to USAAF. to CL-26 Mar 19, 1942
    BX146 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX147 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX148 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX149 to USAAF. condemned Mar 23, 1943
    BX150 to USAAF. wrecked Jun 8, 1942 at Tontouta AAB, New Caledonia.
    BX151 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942
    BX152 to USAAF. wrecked Jun 8, 1942 at New Caledonia.
    BX153 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX154 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942.
    BX155 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX156 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942
    BX157 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942
    BX158 to USAAF. condemned Mar 23, 1942
    BX159 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942
    BX160 to USAAF. condemned Nov 1, 1942
    BX161 to USAAF. condemned Nov 25, 1942
    BX162 to USAAF. condemned Mar 23, 1943
    BX163 to USAAF. condemned Dec 28, 1942
    BX164 to USAAF. surveyed Jan 24, 1944
    BX165 to USAAF. condemned May 27, 1943
    BX166 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX167 (c/n 14-359) to USAAF. surveyed Jul 14, 1944
    BX168 to USAAF. condemned Oct 27, 1943
    BX169 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX170 to USAAF. condemned Aug 30, 1942
    BX171 to USAAF. surveyed in USA Jul 15, 1945
    BX172 to USAAF. to RFC in Cincinatti Feb 10, 1945
    BX173 to USAAF. condemned Sep 3, 1944
    BX174 (c/n 14-415) to USAAF. condemned Nov 23, 1942
    BX187 ended up with USAAF in UK in 1942
    BX192 to USAAF. to RFC at Rome, NY Aug 8, 1945
    BX204 to USAAF. off inventory Feb 29, 1944
    BX206 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Mar 20, 1945
    BX209 to USAAF. salvaged Aug 17, 1944
    BX210 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Feb 29, 1945
    BX216 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Apr 4, 1945
    BX227 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, Mar 16, 1945
    BX245 to USAAF. to RFC at Rome, NY May 8, 1945
    BX247 to USAAF. off inventory Aug 26, 1944
    BX270 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Feb 29, 1945
    BX279 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Mar 24, 1945
    BX290 to USAAF. condemned Jul 8, 1944
    BX302 to USAAF. Shipped overseas after Oct 1943. Returned to USA Jul 30, 1944.
    To RFC at Rome, NY May 8, 1945. There is a photo of this aircraft in Soviet AF colors.
    BX310 to USAAF. to Italy Feb 11, 1946
    BX320 to USAAF. crashed May 27, 1944
    BX323 to USAAF. surveyed in USA Mar 2, 1944
    BX326 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Mar 20, 195
    BX327 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ
    BX345 to USAAF. salvaged Jun 12, 1944
    BX348 to USAAF. to RFC at Yuma AAF, AZ Mar 16, 1945
    BX409 to USAAF. to reclamation at Luke AAF, AZ Mar 13, 1946
    BX424 to USAAF. salvaged Nov 9, 1944

     
     
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    I'd go further for all per ACR-11 details, per SWPAC with four doubtfuls, all P-400s that arrived "down under" in theatre.

    FY Serial Theatre
    AH728 Sumac
    AH733 Sumac
    AH735 Sumac
    AH736 Sumac
    AH737 Sumac
    AH738 Sumac
    AP266 Sumac
    AP267 Sumac
    AP268 Sumac
    AP274 Sumac
    AP278 Sumac
    AP280 Sumac
    AP287 Sumac
    AP290 Sumac
    AP295 Sumac
    AP297 Sumac
    AP300 Sumac
    AP304 Sumac
    AP305 Poppy
    AP306 Sumac????
    AP319 Sumac
    AP320 Sumac
    AP322 Sumac
    AP326 Sumac
    AP327 Sumac
    AP328 Sumac
    AP329 Sumac
    AP330 Sumac
    AP331 Sumac
    AP332 Sumac
    AP333 Sumac
    AP334 Sumac
    AP335 Sumac
    AP336 Sumac
    AP337 Sumac
    AP338 Sumac
    AP339 Sumac
    AP340 Sumac
    AP341 Sumac
    AP342 Sumac
    AP343 Sumac
    AP344 Poppy
    AP345 Sumac
    AP346 Sumac
    AP347 Sumac
    AP348 Sumac
    AP349 Sumac
    AP350 Sumac
    AP351 Sumac
    AP352 Sumac
    AP353 Poppy
    AP354 Sumac
    AP355 Sumac
    AP356 ???
    AP357 Sumac
    AP358 ???
    AP359 Sumac
    AP360 ???
    AP361 Sumac
    AP362 Sumac
    AP363 Sumac
    AP364 Sumac
    AP365 Sumac
    AP366 Sumac
    AP367 Sumac
    AP368 Sumac
    AP369 Sumac
    AP370 Sumac
    AP371 Sumac
    AP372 Sumac
    AP373 Sumac
    AP374 Sumac
    AP375 Sumac
    AP376 Sumac
    AP377 Sumac
    AP378 Sumac
    AP379 Sumac
    AP380 Sumac
    AP381 Poppy
    AP382 Sumac
    AP383 Poppy
    BW100 Sumac
    BW101 Sumac
    BW102 Sumac
    BW103 Sumac
    BW104 Sumac
    BW105 Sumac
    BW107 Sumac
    BW108 Poppy
    BW110 Sumac
    BW111 Sumac
    BW112 Sumac
    BW113 Sumac
    BW114 Sumac
    BW115 Sumac
    BW116 Sumac
    BW117 Sumac
    BW119 Sumac
    BW120 Sumac
    BW121 Sumac/Poppy
    BW122 Sumac
    BW123 Sumac
    BW124 Sumac
    BW125 Poppy
    BW126 Sumac
    BW127 Sumac
    BW128 Sumac
    BW129 Sumac
    BW130 Sumac
    BW134 Sumac
    BW135 Sumac/Poppy
    BW136 Sumac/Poppy
    BW137 Sumac/Poppy
    BW138 Sumac/Poppy
    BW139 Sumac/Poppy
    BW140 Sumac
    BW141 Sumac
    BW142 Sumac
    BW143 Sumac/Poppy
    BW144 Sumac
    BW145 Sumac/Poppy
    BW146 Sumac/Poppy
    BW147 Sumac/Poppy
    BW148 Sumac/Poppy
    BW150 Sumac
    BW151 Sumac/Poppy
    BW152 Sumac
    BW153 Sumac
    BW154 Sumac/Poppy
    BW155 Sumac
    BW156 Sumac/Poppy
    BW157 Sumac/Poppy
    BW158 Sumac/Poppy
    BW159 Sumac/Poppy
    BW160 Sumac/Poppy
    BW161 Sumac
    BW162 Sumac/Poppy
    BW163 Sumac
    BW164 Sumac
    BW165 Sumac/Poppy
    BW166 Sumac
    BW167 Sumac/Poppy
    BW168 Sumac
    BW169 Sumac
    BW170 Sumac
    BW171 Sumac
    BW172 Sumac
    BW173 Poppy
    BW174 Sumac
    BW175 Poppy
    BW176 Sumac
    BW177 Sumac
    BW178 Sumac
    BW179 Sumac
    BW180 Sumac
    BW181 Sumac
    BW182 Sumac
    BW183 Sumac
    BX135 Sumac
    BX136 Poppy
    BX137 Poppy
    BX138 Poppy
    BX139 Sumac
    BX140 Sumac
    BX141 Sumac
    BX142 Sumac
    BX143 Sumac
    BX144 Sumac
    BX146 Sumac
    BX147 Sumac
    BX148 Sumac
    BX149 Poppy
    BX150 Sumac/Poppy
    BX151 Sumac/Poppy
    BX152 Sumac/Poppy
    BX153 Sumac
    BX154 Sumac/Poppy
    BX155 Sumac
    BX156 Sumac/Poppy
    BX157 Sumac/Poppy
    BX158 Sumac/Poppy
    BX159 Sumac/Poppy
    BX160 Sumac/Poppy
    BX161 Sumac/Poppy
    BX162 Sumac/Poppy
    BX164 Sumac
    BX165 Sumac
    BX166 Sumac
    BX167 Sumac
    BX168 Sumac
    BX169 Sumac
    BX170 Sumac
    BX171 Sumac
    BX172 Sumac
    BX173 Sumac
    BX174 Sumac

    Per the reverse Lend-lease in UK, the RAF  transferred to USAAF in 1942 BX365, BX369, BX380, BX385, BX397, BX400, BX407, BX412, BX417, BX418, BX422, BX432 and BX434 with some of these ending up in north Africa

    Best
    Gordy

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