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READY TEDDY (V1) B - 24 H - 5 - FO 42-52087 15 451 726 ~ 38
Hello! Does anyone know where I can find more photos of a particular B24H called "Ready Teddy" V1? This aircraft flew with the 15th AF, 451st BG, 726th BS and was stationed at Castelluccio, Italy. She went down during a combat mission on July 16, 1944 over Wiener-Neudorf, Austria. Her serial # was 42-52087. All crew was KIA except for 2 (Bombardier & Upper Turret Gunner) who were POW's. SGT Norman E. Feldman was the tail gunner of the crew and a relative of my late grandmother. I would like to honor his memory and need reference photos in able to construct a scale model of this particular aircraft. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, THB
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Thanks. This is the only photo that I have been able to locate as well. Agreed, it's not the best for reference purposes. I would also like to locate a crew photo as well. So far I haven't been able to find ANY information on the 726th BS at all. Perhaps they weren't one of the most well known of all the squadrons but SGT Feldman was a distant relative of mine and I would like to know more about him so I can share his memory with other family members. Lest we never forget him and his fellow crewman and honor their ultimate sacrifice to defend our freedom. Thanks again, THB
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Tom these are the interim markings for the 451BG; when assigned to 47BW in Jan. 1944 they SHOULD have adopted the wing's triangle symbol on the upper tails with a black "5" in a white disc at the bottom ( for the 5th group in the wing). As 5 groups were thought unwieldy the 451st was assigned to the new 49th Wing in April along with the 461st and 484th , and Wing symbol was to be a circle ( the other wings used a square and diamond). As it happened this was the period when there was a complete revision of group-wing markings and full colour ones were begun, it's not thought that the circle was ever employed though at one time a black "1" was marked on Teddy as the first group in the new wing. By the time "Teddy" was lost in July her markings should have been red top to tail and red disc at bottom, a letter on the rudder added to the number ( apparently "38" on Teddy) on nose-fuselage. This number was usually in white or black on a squadron -colour square ( white on red for the 726th). I believe the 451st used the hexagon symbol originally as the "odd" group in the 47BW; the white rudder bands on camouflaged aircraft were common for location of the aircraft number or letter when assigned ( 450BG painted the whole rudder white) but nose and rear fuselage were the norm. A mix of old and new markings was very common in both B-24 and 17 groups at this time in the Fifteenth , much more complicated than in the Eighth. Regards Nick
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Thanks buckeyeuk! I appreciate the update. I'm finding that actual photos from the 726th BS are rare. According to the US War Dept. official MIA report, 42-52087 #3 engine flamed out while in formation, she peeled off about a 1,000 yards from formation and extinguished the fire then banked as if to rejoin formation. She then went "into a very close spin" and dropped out of sight in the ground haze and an explosion was seen shortly afterwards. I want to make sure I "get it right" when I build this tribute to the crew of 42-52087. Accuracy of this aircraft's markings are extremely important to me as I feel a strong obligation to the memory of these brave men KIA. Again, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. It has certainly helped me get a good start to researching Ready Teddy V1. Best Regards, Tom
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Hi Dan Have you ever managed to make sense of the Fifteenth's range of number blocks for their B-24 groups ? Assuming 25 aircraft per squadron they would be 1--24, 25--49, 50--74 and 75--99 for the 4 squadrons ( which seems to be the accepted pattern), also used by the Twelfth B-26s. 20 per squadron would make it 1--19, 20--39, 40--59 and 60--79; judging by photos either system could be possible OR some squadrons had numbers in GROUP rather than in SQUADRON. Couple of 451st examples... "Hey Moe" ( 725th) number was 40 , OK for first system, as was "Extra Joker" no. 35 ( 725th); but "Calamity Jane ( 725th) was 56 then 60 which would be 726th. "Cannon Fodder" (726th) was no. 2 then 45, neither being in the 50--74 range. " Ready Teddy" (726th) was 38 , similar anomaly. I can't imagine why they would also need a letter added to the rudder when they had big block numbers fore and aft. Maybe I'm missing something.? Thanks Nick Pre-was system was 1--9 (HQ) then 10--39, 40--69 and 70--99 for the 3 assigned sqns. = 30 per sqn.
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buckeyeuk Hi Dan Have you ever managed to make sense of the Fifteenth's range of number blocks for their B-24 groups ? The 449th BG went overseas with 62 aircraft numbered sequentially from 1-62, two squadrons having 16 a/c and two with 15. The squadrons were numbered 1-16 719th; 17-32 718th; 33-47 717th; and 48-62 716th. This numbering system became restrictive with losses and replacement aircraft, and was replaced in early May '44 with a system of 20 numbers per squadron: 1-20 719th, 21-40 718th, 41-60 717th, 61-80 716th. The 449th did not include the radio call letter as did some groups, but there was a briefing sheet in each mission folder which listed the call letters vs. two digit combat numbers.
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Thanks M as I suspected the Fifteenth ( being the Fifteenth) went their own way as regards assigning number blocks to the B-24 groups; they were flexible in that respect and applied logic to changing situations, hence the high/low numbers at different times. It seems that towards the end of the war there was a more settled system. Regards Nick
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Hi THB, I hope you get this email as this thread is a few months old. I have been doing research on this crew and tragic loss for my whole adult life. It has been like putting the pieces of a puzzle together. I just recently found out the name of the aircraft that went down and starting to do research on it's name. My Grandfather was the Pilot of this crew, Capt Franics L Fort, and was KIA when the Ready Teddy went down on this day. I have a lot of information for you. The 2 survivors were the co-pilot, Lyle Baker and the Bombadier, Pete Mullory (I think the spelling is right). Both captured and spent aprox 2 years as POWs. My family still keeps in touch w/ the Baker family. I have a hand typed written account of that fateful day, written by Baker upon his return to the states. The most facinating info for me, is that this was the first and only time that this specific crew flew this plane. As a crew in the states, they were given a brand new B24 aircraft to fly to Europe w/ a stop in North Africa along the way. They named their new plane, christened her and each painted a personal sentiment or name of a loved one on the side of the plane where they were positioned. This plane was called the "Urgent Virgin" (must to my grandmother's disapproval). Upon arriving in Italy, the Urgent Virgin was taken away from them and given to a more seasoned crew. They were split up on their first few missions, and the fateful flight of the Ready was the first time this crew was back together again to fly a mission together. My family has some photos of the crew in the US before they left for the War. I also have pictures of the original plane they served together on, the Urgent Virgin. I wish you the best of luck. And please keep me informed if you have info to share. I also found a book on Amazon that you may be interested in. The 451st Bomb group, a pictoral history. I found it very interesting. VG
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VG, did you receive my response to your thread?
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