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P-47 types used by the 332nd FG?

hi there,

according to various but very vague sources that I'd checked so far (web sites only), the 332nd Fighter Group - or was it just the 99th Fighter Squadron at this time? (not sure!) - has received P-47 Thunderbolts in June 1944 - among others also some of the pretty worn ones from the 325th Fighter Group (the Checkertails).

Now what I'd like to know ... is there anybody that has a little more specific information about:

- the types of P-47 that the 332nd received?
--- were there bubble top versions among them?

----- if yes - I'd like to learn about serial numbers and all history details if possible
----- if yes - does anybody has pictures of such aircraft in the markings of the 332nd FG (99th FS, 100th FS, 301st & 302nd FS)? - color profiles would be very much appreciated!

many thanks in advance


tom 'Gnoopey' kohler
post edited by Gnoopey - 2005/05/09 17:08:09
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 02:35:43 (permalink)
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    I too looked into this once and recall some transfers from the 325 FG.
    It was about ten years ago. I believe all squadrons were involved and the planes were all OD P-47D pre-block 25. I believe the 325th did not have NMF P-47D.
    I'll try to find my notes and confirm details.

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    hi Phil,
     
    that would be great, thank you very much!
     
    I'd found at least reference for one NMF P-47D-40-RA, A.A.F. S/N 45-49355 (according to Baugher)  in markings of the 325th FG, flown by Lt. Col. 'Bob' Baseler.
     
    over here =>
     
    and here =>
     
    from this site: ==> http://www.web-birds.com/15th/325/325th.htm
     
    those pictures 'planted' the idea, when I've read about that the 325th FG transferred their Jugs to the 332nd for a month or two before they (the 332nd) also transitioned to Mustangs ...
     
    EDIT: yeah, I know, the two pictures nose arts do not match; so the 2nd one is probably a fake?!?
     
    kindest regards from switzerland
     
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    post edited by Gnoopey - 2005/05/10 02:46:04
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 02:44:17 (permalink)
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    Hi Tom

    good to see you here and also good to have another Swiss enthusiast on board.

    Baseler's "Bis Stud" as depicted in your photos was flown in this disguise postwar statesides, i.e. this aircraft never was used operationally with the 325th FG while deployed to the MTO.
    Baseler's operational P-47 was a "razorback", serial 42-75008. Overall, the 325th FG only used OD razorbacks, mostly from the D-6 and D-10 blocks.

    There also exists a photo of Col. Davis, CO of the 332nd FG with a NMF razorback P-47D - will post it whan I find it.

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    post edited by swissmustangs - 2005/05/10 03:08:33
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 02:57:42 (permalink)
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    having said the above, I did a search through my files and came up with this.......


    Caption
    "This is the REPUBLIC P47 THUNDERBOLT Purchased by the children of ST. ALPHONSUS SCHOOL and Flown By Clarence Lester"

    Lester was with the 332nd FG...... this NMF P-47D-25-RE (42-26693) definitely needs more research...

    Martin
    post edited by swissmustangs - 2005/05/10 03:04:52
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 03:05:27 (permalink)
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    Here's the photo of Col. Davis with his NMF razorback P-47D. Any clues ? Phil ? 
     
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 03:07:19 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: swissmustangs

    Hi Tom

    good to see you here and also good to have another Swiss enthusiast on board.

    Baseler's "Bis Stud" as depicted in your photos was flown in this disguise postwar statesides, i.e. this aircraft never was used operationally with the 325th FG while deployed to the MTO.
    Baseler's operational P-47 was a "razorback", serial 42-75008. Overall, the 325th FG only used OD razorbacks, mostly from the D-6 and D-10 blocks.

    There also exists a photo of Col. Davis, CO of the 332nd FG with a NMF bubble-canopy P-47D - but again this photo was taken postwar in the Z.I.

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    hi Martin ;)
     
    thank you very much! I'm a looooong time fan of your fantastic site! Really superb stuff you have collected there over the time, my most sincere congratulations for your work!
     
    Ha, I was always suspecting something like that with the two pictures shown above. LOL, you have to know that I'd already released a texture set for such a 'disguised' Big Stud Jug for Microsofts CFS2 about two years ago. NOBODY ever 'complained' about this so far - LOL!
     
    Currently, I'm playing around with some P-47 Thunderbolts that I'd introduced into Microsofts latest Flight Simulator (FS9) - you can find my stuff over here ==> http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?loc=downloads&page=downloads&FileUploadName=Gnoopey ... (some call us 'lunatics' - LOL).
     
    So I'd be very glad about every picture you could 'give me', showing 'bubble top Jugs' in 'interesting' markings!
     
    sincerely,
     
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 06:29:38 (permalink)
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    Tom----there's always an exception to the rule ! This is Lt. Penny's second "Topper" (317th FS) the first was olive drab. Reportedly the only natural metal in the 325th but may not have flown combat ?   Nick

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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 06:43:22 (permalink)
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    This is from Jerry Scutts' "P-47 the operational record". The interesting point is, why didn't the 332nd paint over the 57th yellow tail band ? The transfer must have been the other way ie. 332nd--57th  as it was lost by them 12 Oct. 1944.(MACR9329). The 57th would have moved from Corsica to Grosseto by then. I think the 332nd only had P-47s for about 4 weeks between Apr---June 1944.         Nick

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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 10:49:42 (permalink)
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    Martin, Nick and Phil,
     
    'whooaaaa', ask and ye shall receive :)
     
    thank you very, very much! I've already learned alot and got something 'de-mystified' that I had suspected for quite a while now :)
     
    but Gents - please, save your 'Razorback' stuff - as of now, I can only use 'Bubble Top' info, read from blocks D-25-RE and D-26-RA onward! Of course I would also be very grateful, if you could provide me with interesting stuff about M-1 and N variants of the Thunderbolt. Read 'stuff' as - at least serial number AND a good enough info about the specifics of the paint scheme to be usable for the creation of a plausible rendition in flight simulator - read 'good enough' as at least specific markings, nose art picture or even a color profile  :)
     
    kindest regards from Switzerland
     
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 11:52:35 (permalink)
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    Tom
     
    watch your PM inbox - I have some stuff for you.
     
    Cheers
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 14:07:14 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: swissmustangs

    Tom

    watch your PM inbox - I have some stuff for you.

    Cheers
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    hey Martin,
     
    got it & answered (LOL, I even 'filled' your COMBOX) ...
     
    this is for you - did it (texture only) 'bout two years ago for a Mustang model of a fellow 3D designer for CFS2 but never made it public (besides some screenies) ...
     
    ==>
     
     
    kind regards
     
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/10 14:57:25 (permalink)
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     hmmmmmmmmm

    Tom
    very nice, but.....


    your caption gives me goosebumps........!

    J-2113 was a P-51D-25-NA (serial # 44-73349) !

    Ciao
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2005/05/11 04:13:26 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: swissmustangs

     hmmmmmmmmm

    Tom
    very nice, but.....


    your caption gives me goosebumps........!

    J-2113 was a P-51D-25-NA (serial # 44-73349) !

    Ciao
    Martin

     
    sorry Martin ,
     
    of course my bad - I stand corrected, thank you - no excuse (ha, 'lucky' me, I didn't made it public b4) ;)
     
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    RE: P-47 types used by the 332nd FG? 2006/11/06 10:40:35 (permalink)
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    Everyone be careful of Tom. He borrowed my KB-29P Flight Manual and never gave it back. I have e-mailed him several times and doesn't answer. Do not lend him anything! Shame on you Tom 'Gnoopey' Kohler. Shame on you!
     
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