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P-40E´s from RAF order transferred to US service - mainly by 49th FG

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I have question or question´s about P-40E built for RAF with RAF serials numbers, which was transferred to US service:
   - is know list of this machines or not?
   - served this machines only at 49th FG in PTO or somewhere else?
   - were made for RAF new machines with same RAF serial number?
   - and big question - what camo this machines have?
 
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    Arhad    These were actually P-40E-1s ( Kittyhawk IAs) which were Es with British equipment; there were 1,500 under Lend-Lease contract DA-3 ( May 12 1941) deliveries were 9/41 to 6/42. In the event only 432 were delivered under that contract, the remaining 1,068 were retained in the USA or diverted elsewhere at random, but the RAF serials matched USAAF ones.
    The 432 went as follows...
    2 to UK
    200 to Middle East
    22 to S. Africa
    126 to Australia
    44 to N. Zealand
    3 to AAF in Australia
    34 lost at sea
    1 written off , damaged loading and kept in US ( ET583 / 41-35937).
    12 from this allocation were delivered to Canada by rail
    SERIALS :
    USAAF 41-24776--41-25195 , RAF ET100--ET519
    USAAF 41-35874--41-36953 , RAF ET520--ET999, EV100--EV699.    TOTAL 1,500.
     
    Disposition of these can be seen on Joe Baugher's web-site here...
    http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_4.html
    http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_5.html
     
    The E-1s for Lend-Lease were painted at Curtiss in the RAF Temporate Scheme and those retained in USA usually kept these colours. The standard pattern is in the attached, also the Desert Scheme as on some Fs, Ks and Ls for the Middle East. The underside colour ( Sky Type S Gray) was apparently a little different to British "Sky".
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    Please note that a further 560 standard P-40Es ( not E-1s) were ordered  by Britain but these were Direct Purchase ie. not Lend-Lease; so they had RAF serials but no matching US ones though they had Construction Numbers. 20 were actually P-40Ds with 4-wing guns only, the rest had 6. Of the 560, 1 crashed in the US (AK928), 1 was lost at sea on the way to the Middle East (AL100).
    10 went to the UK, 72 to Canada, 476 to the Middle East for Commonwealth squadrons ( =560).
    Serials were AK571--999 and AL100--230. They were Kittyhawk Is. and some went to Canada and Turkey.
    A further 820 P-40Es were built for the USAAF with US serials only; some went to the 51st and 49th FGs ( see Baugher's lists) also to RAAF and Russia, most stayed in US.
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    FineScale Modeler had an excellent article, I think about 20 years ago, that described the colors of the P-40E's and the fact that he USAAF accepted RAF colors in the interests of expediting delivery 
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    Hi,
     
    thanks for your reply and help! I try make a list of 49th FG´s P-40E with british serials number using in Australia/New Quinea.
     
    Thanks Arhad
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    Getting to th enitty gritty
     
     Here's the scoop, full story will be in the ADF-Serials Telegraph News Letter in Spring 2012
     

    We had a earlier question on the message board during June 2012 regarding what was Lend Lease, what was paid or manufactured in Australia etc, and I promised that I would explain, by example, the first P-40E/E-1 Kittyhawks contracts and loans. At our darkest hour in March 1942, we obtained approximately 75 P-40E/E-1s from USAFIA (US Army Forces  in Australia)Stocks held at Amberley, Mascot ,Archerfield and what was landed at Fremantle to equip three operational Squadrons.(75/76/77 F Sqns RAAF)
    It was agreed locally with the USAFIA that we would payback these totals from our future BSC 322 Diversion Contract P-40E-1 Aircraft from RAF Defence Aid #3 (DA3) during the March 42 conversations.
    Britain had agreed to transfer these at no cost as part of their agreed diversion of 125 Aircraft in February 1942. The balance of that agreement was initially for the US of A to provide a balance of 125 (later 126)also, however this was modified to a loan of 75 only in March 42 as circumstances (loss of Java etc) negated the original promise of matching the RAF’s allocation.
    The first reconciliation of the RAAF P-40E supplies happened on the 12th May 1942, where records show that a total of 80 were on loan to the RAAF from the USAAF and that shipments on account of the RAAF had arrived, was numbered 62. By this time, some 31 P-40E/E-1s had been written off, some 27 RAAF BSC-322 P-40E-1s had been transferred to the USAAF, leaving just 83 on hand in the RAAF and one was unaccounted for (A29-81 41-5508). (Both reconciliations totalled 142, though the actual number should have been 143 as Kittyhawk A29-73; 41-24817 lost on pre-delivery, was not included).
    The surviving 83 P-40E/E-1s were: No75 Sqn (6), No76 Sqn (21), No77 Sqn (17) Pearce (2 for repairs), 5AD Wagga (7), 1AD Laverton (4), Geelong Assembly (17) and 2AD Richmond (9), and totalling 83 airframes.
    Over the years the common theme has been that the RAF did not meet its requirements and the US supplied all 163 Kittyhawks to the RAAF, even though some of them were decidedly second hand.  
    What the USAFIA (5thAAF USAAF) eventually passed on loan to the RAAF from their own P-40E/E-1 aircraft stock in theatre became a researched total of 119 aircraft by August 1942.
    Out of BSC322 DA3 125 P-40E-1s against our own RAF orders received, a total of 86 P-40E-1 aircraft were returned to the USAAF in re-payment. This left the RAAF in debt to the USAAF of 33 aircraft as of March 1943.
    Eventually by July 1942 some 86 P-40E-1s of the DA3 order would be handed back to the USAAF in Australia for use by the 49th Fighter Group and by also the 68th Fighter Sqn in Fiji.
    By the end of September 1942, in their summary, some 119 USAAF P-40E/E-1s were charged to the RAAF, with a further two aircraft crashing before delivery to the RAAF, along with 42 DA3 P-40E-1s, making 163 in total, exclusive of another 14 P-40E-1s sent that were sunk on consignment to the RAAF ex RAF in July 1942.
    A further three P-40E-1s were administratively lost to and used by the USAAF, but the RAF was, in 1945, finally credited for the cost of those three.  

    In their USAFIA summary,   there was 119 P-40E/E-1s plus the 33 not repaid,   equalling 152 aircraft, plus another 10 Charters Towers Pool aircraft taken on strength post August 1942, free of charge. Missing are three P-40E-1s that the USAAF had taken over without paper work in May 1942; these being P-40E-1s 41-36090(ET736), 41-36171(ET817) and 41-36235 (ET881).
     
    ................. you'll have to wait till the issue is out for the balance. But the 143 includes 14 sunk on route July 42 also. This story doesn't end until we pay back the balance with ex RAAF P-40Ns per 1944
     
    Gordy

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    Gordy
    Ken Meekom's book on BAC / LL lists the 126 from DA3 contract , all ET serials, plus the 14 lost in July also ETs. I think the latter were on the way to Australia.
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