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P-400 correct paint colors? Henderson Field ,1942

 I'm currently building a 1/48 scale P-400 of the Cactus Air Force and would like to know the correct camo paint colors used. 
 My kit instructions say to use medium gray(neutral gray) undersides, with olive drab and middlestone (dark tan?) for the camouflage pattern on top.  Is this right?
 I am curious since these aircraft were reacquired from the British, would they have the Brit's sky blue underside with dark green, dark earth top side? 
 This model is going to be well weathered to reflect the harsh conditions at Henderson Field, so which colors I use will be altered somewhat by the weathering. Still would be helpful have the proper colors to start with. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Howard   these are the camouflage colours as supplied to Bell by the British Purchasing Commision; the green is a good match but the Dark Earth (009) is lighter than the standard RAF one which was 71-035. Also seen on some P-40s and a few AVG Tomahawks.
The underside colour is British Sky Type S , not grey which was a US description; as the mix ( white, yellow and green) was not too precise there were some variations in shades.
You might use Light Earth but I'm not a modeller.
Please note these P-400s on Guadalcanal ( 67th FS ) had 12 exhausts per side not 6 as here, also the ones on N. Guinea ( 35FG).
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They also still had the red center to the insignia when they reaced Guadalcanal.
 
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Nick - Thank you very much for the image. Very useful reference information.                                                            My kit instructions tend to lean toward a neutral grey under side. Perfect for a U.S. Army aircraft with an olive green top side, but as I suspected, since these were basically redirected lend-lease P-39's, the British colors would be more accurate. 
 Also , with the washes and weathering , the colors on my scale p-400 will appear a bit faded and dirty. Operations from the islands of the South Pacific must have been very harsh on man and machine alike. Lots of sun , mud ,dust, etc. 
Duane- The kit decals have the markings for Fancy Nancy, and include the red center on the stars. Although I've entertained the idea of over painting the star with white to replicate the probably hand brushed overpaint.
 Thanks again for the help . 
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The red centres to the stars which Duane mentioned SHOULD have been removed by BuAer. order 06230 of May 15 1942 just prior to Midway (similarly the red-white stripes on Navy planes rudders) but in the case of some Army types they lingered on for a short while.
The US ARMY below the P-400's wings was specified as Insignia Blue rather than black in Spec. 24114 of 1940.
By the time "Fancy Nancy" arrived on Guadalcanal the paintwork was already worn and faded; the RAF fin  flashes were overpainted with Dark Green or Olive Drab, darker than the original camo.
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 I was curious about the fin flash. It's good to know about it being over painted. I'll be able to add a little extra detail by painting an area of the tail with "newer" paint  to represent the flash painted over. May use an olive green since I can imagine the supplies for about anything were often limited in spring of 42 at Henderson , and Army olive was probably one of the more plentiful stock items.
 Also in regard to the red centers, my decals show Fancy Nancy in April, 1942. My thought is to give the centers of the stars a scale hand painted look as if the red centers were over painted in the field . The same idea I have for the fin flash. The effect will be subtle but effective. 
 Another item that came to my attention , I've heard that the left door could only be opened from the inside. Yet , all the reference pics I've found clearly show a latch on the outside of the left door. 
 Unfortunately, those are pics of restored warbirds and any wartime photos aren't clear enough to tell. Which side did the air and ground crews mostly climb up and down? That side would most likely have more scuffs, chips, etc in the paint up to the cockpit door. Or did it make a difference which side the guys ingress/egress from?
 Howard
BTW I will post some pics of this model in a few  weeks when this model is complete. You fella's may be curious how this turns out.
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Howard        both doors were fitted with locks and catches and accessible; seems the pilot was usually photographed by the open door on whichever side his name and / or artwork was displayed ( often the right ie.. "wrong" side). Navy pilots would have their names and victory flags on the right side facing the carrier's island and so have their photos from that side.
Considering the state of Nancy's paintwork on Guadalcanal I don't think the scuffing would be very prominent anyway; when I used to make models I always tried to restrain the weathering etc.. especially on smaller scale ones. Mind you most were WW1 flying machines !
Nick
  PS    the touch-up paint would be Olive Drab rather than Olive Green which was a pre-war colour ( or possibly Medium Green which was also a standard colour and likely kept in stocks ).
 
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Apologies for not getting back to this thread until now. Busy at work, and the model desk .
I promised a couple pics of the completed bird. BTW it finished second against some very good model builds , so I'm not disappointed. Thanks again for all your help. Hope she meets with your approval.




 
As a side note . I didn't think much about it until looking over some squadron markings .
Turns out , I've had a direct relation with the Fighting Cocks, although much later in years.
I was assigned to the 18th TFW at Kadena AB in the mid 70's and the 67th TFS were flying F-4C Phantoms. Spent a few graveyard shifts fixing fuel write ups on their birds. In fact the whole wing is still known as the Fighting Cocks of the Rock.
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Out of curiosity, why have this under 35th Fighter Group? Shouldn't this be under the 347thFg, being WW2??
 
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