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2010/04/07 11:12:43 (permalink)
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Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII

I am working on my Roll of Honor Database from the Air Force journals/newsletters, and I want to make sure I get the ranks in the proper order.  Can someone in the know or with an appropriate reference for WWII check my list?
 
Private
Private First Class
Corporal
Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
First Sergeant
Technical Sergeant
Master Sergeant
Flight Officer
Warrant Officer
Lieutenant (they didn't break it down between 1st and 2nd Lieutenants)
Captain
Major
Lt Colonel
Colonel
Brigadier General
Major General
Lt General
General
 
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Marty
 

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    k9iua
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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/07 13:43:52 (permalink)
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    Technical Sergeant (T/Sgt) comes before (lower) Master (M/Sgt) Sergeant, and a Flight Officer (FO) is a Warrant Officer (WO).   And a First/Top Sergeant is above a Master Sergeant, defined more by position than rank.
    Here is one such source: 
    http://ww2db.com/other.php?other_id=22

    Kevin Anderson
    post edited by k9iua - 2010/04/07 15:20:25
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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/07 15:17:47 (permalink)
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    The list above is for later in the war.  I should add that prior to Sept. 1942, First Sergeant was actually lower than Master Sergeant, akin to a Technical Sergeant.  So depending on the time period of article you are referring to, the ordering could be one way or the other.

    No doubt a person more expert than I will correct any further mistakes I've made.

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/07 15:29:34 (permalink)
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    Marty....In your list....


    Enlisted :

    Private
    Private First Class
    Corporal
    Sergeant 
    S/Sgt       
    T/Sgt       
    1st Sgt/M/Sgt      

    Officers:

    Warrant Officer-Army Flight Officer- USAAF
    (Afforded Officer Priveleges.but below 2nd Lt in rank).

    2nd Lt
    1st Lt
    Captain
    Major
    Lt.Colonel
    Colonel
    Brigadier General
    Major General
    Lt General
    General

    Authority :

     AAF-Official Guide to the U.S> Army AIr Forces -1944

    Jim :-)

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/07 15:51:00 (permalink)
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    Thanks kevin & Jim. 

    The order I listed the ranks in was based on how they were lised in the Rolls of Honor.  For each type of award, they listed the personnel in order from highest to lowest rank, but there has been no award where someone from every rank has been given one.  The closest for the Sergeants was a list of Soldier's Medal recipients that included a Master Sergeant, a First Sergeant, some Staff Sergeants and some Sergeants one month (in that order).  There has not been a grouping with both Flight Officers and Warrent Officers, so now I know they were of equivalent rank.

    I have also now seen one man listed who was a Technician Forth Grade, which was between a Sergeant and a Corporal, an Aviation Cadet who was below Corporal and a "Former AVG Member" who was also below a Corporal.

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/08 12:14:47 (permalink)
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    If you want diagrams of the ranks try this:

    [link=http://USArmyInsigniaHomePage.110mb.com/]



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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/08 14:04:47 (permalink)
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    The highest rank attained during WWII was General of the Army (5-star) by Henry H. Arnold.  He has been the only Air Corps/Air Force officer to attain that rank.  In 1949, his title was changed to General of the Air Force.
    Also there were 2 grades of Warrant Officer:
    W-1 = Warrant Officer Junior Grade or Flight Officer
    W-2 = Chief Warrant Officer

    Corporals and Technicians 5th grade are the same rank.
    Sergeants and Technicians 4th grade are the same rank.
    Staff Sergeants and Technicians 3rd grade are the same rank.
    I believe Aviation Cadets ranked below private.

    post edited by mbee53 - 2010/04/08 14:51:21

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/08 19:58:40 (permalink)
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    As an aviation cadet I received $75 per month, a Private recvd $30 per month at the start of the war.

    Jules Horowitz, B-17 pilot, 99th BG, 50 missions/sorties
    My tour was from 7/19/43-2/13/44
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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/08 19:58:45 (permalink)
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    As an aviation cadet I received $75 per month, a Private recvd $30 per month at the start of the war.

    Jules Horowitz, B-17 pilot, 99th BG, 50 missions/sorties
    My tour was from 7/19/43-2/13/44
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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/08 21:32:56 (permalink)
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    Ok jhor9, but why say it twice.

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/08 23:35:51 (permalink)
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    Jules,
    I think you received more than we did. As an Aviation Cadet it was $21.00 a month. The only exception wss the month in CTD when we receive an  additional $75.00 flight pay during the 10 hours training in the J-3.

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/09 18:10:34 (permalink)
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    Based on my father's pay records and his memoir, when John M. Carah entered the Army Air Forces as an Aviation Cadet candidate in February, 1942, in Sacramento, California, he was paid $17.00/month.  While awaiting a slot at the huge Santa Ana Classification/Reception Center, he was assigned to the Presidio of San Francisco and paid $21.00/month.  After he finished at Santa Ana and was assigned as an Aviation Cadet to primary flight training at King City, California in June 1942, his pay was bumped to $75.00/month.
     
    Not a lot, but things were cheaper in those days.  A few weeks before graduation from Advanced Flying Training at Douglas, Arizona (Class 43B), in early February, 1943, the cadets were given a $250 allowance to buy uniforms and related hardware.

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/11 15:36:45 (permalink)
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    Regarding the ranks...Army ranks were used for those assigned to the AAF, but I've noticed different chevrons worn by airman during WWII.   Some wore corporal chevrons with a propeller underneath the corporal stripes....some didn't.  There doesn't appear to be any consistency, but I wonder if there was a policy or any enforcement of one type chevron over the other.

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    Re:Order of ranks for the USAAF during WWII 2010/04/11 16:14:13 (permalink)
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    Larry...The S/Sgt chevron with a propellor was un-authorized...Some of these were experimental, and others were possibly a school chevron...as a WAG, the S/Sgt Chevron was possibly one worn by a S/Sgt attending a Flight Cadet School,but authorized at THAT flight school, when he was transferred to a gunnery school or otherwise,  or was Commissioned, it was no longer authorized
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    There was an enlisted USAF silver circle with a propellor inside, that was a PROPOSED for the USAF Blue uniform with a silver circle with the US inside...with one side with the US and the other with the propellor...it was dropped in favor of the US in a circle on both sides of the Dress A uniform..it MAY become valuable as collector, item.but has no value as an authorized item.

    Some Flight Officers wore the Officer's hat insignia, but were unathoried to do so, and a Provost Marshall that knew his regs, would likely cite the offending Flight Officer for the offense. The Flightr Officer had his OWN hat insignia...my co-pilot was a Flighjt Officer.

    Jim :-)

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