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Lou IV

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No IFF lights on A-20 or P-40s? - 06/30/2008 03:16:49 PM
Hello all:
 
I'm researching small details for my 1/48 scale Havocs & Warhawks but I 've never seen any picture which shows the familiar signaling IFF lights on these aircraft (those three red, green and amber circular lights usually found on the lower right wing or lower fuselage behind the wing). Most WWII combat aircraft had them, but apparently not the A-20 series nor P-40 series? Is this correct?
 
I've seen them with the upper light (white) installed, but never the lower-facing ones.
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.
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RE: No IFF lights on A-20 or P-40s? - 06/30/2008 08:24:05 PM
Hello Lou.  Does not appear to be much info on this question available easily.  I did find the following on an Aussie website dealing with Lend-Lease planes :
 
"P40E-1 aircraft had the provisions for identification lights. The first 800 P40E-1s, 41-24776 to 41-36353 (ET100-999) had the British type recognition lights. This consisted of one upper and one lower light and Formation lights, forward of the cockpit, on the fuselage sides. The remainder, 41-36354 to 41-36953 (EV100-699) had USAAF type recognition lights of one upper and three lower lights.
USAAF P40Es 40-358, 40-382 to 41-13599 had no lights, as didn’t the first 400 P40N-1s."
 
Looks like a lot of the "Brit" P-40's had them, and not many USAAF did.
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RE: No IFF lights on A-20 or P-40s? - 07/01/2008 11:56:46 AM
Thank you very much for the information Shaef1944! One way to get information on optional equipment is from aircraft manuals (available as .pdf files from various sources such as ****'s). I have a copy of an early Kitty Hawk manual, and an early A-20 Havoc/Boston. The section which shows the cockpit switches gives a pretty good idea of what equipment was installed, and no IFF lights were to be found in those versions, which led me to wonder why.
 
Now I know which P-40s had them. All I need to do is find a picture of one so that I can see if they were on the wing or fuselage. The A-20 Havoc and Boston continues to be a mystery since there aren't too many clear, well-lit photographs of its underbelly available. I'm really surprised that the A-20 did not have them - they seem to have been used on all later WWII aircraft, even on the Dakotas and the Bell P-70 Jet Prototypes, and on the Boeing C-97 prototypes.
 
By the way, if I'm not mistaken, the British Type recognition lights were one white light on top and one AMBER(?) light on the bottom? I saw a picture of a Spitfire with what appeared to be a single amber light under the wing, in the center, but it was a restored bird and I'm not sure if it's accurate.
 
Thanks again for the information - I'll keep an eye out for more pictures or manuals. 

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Hello Lou.  Does not appear to be much info on this question available easily.  I did find the following on an Aussie website dealing with Lend-Lease planes :

"P40E-1 aircraft had the provisions for identification lights. The first 800 P40E-1s, 41-24776 to 41-36353 (ET100-999) had the British type recognition lights. This consisted of one upper and one lower light and Formation lights, forward of the cockpit, on the fuselage sides. The remainder, 41-36354 to 41-36953 (EV100-699) had USAAF type recognition lights of one upper and three lower lights.
USAAF P40Es 40-358, 40-382 to 41-13599 had no lights, as didn’t the first 400 P40N-1s."

Looks like a lot of the "Brit" P-40's had them, and not many USAAF did.


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