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Need Information On A-20G - 07/08/2005 09:38:50 PM
Need information on A-20G that was lost near Saidor, Paupa New Guinea, belonging to the 675th Bomb Squadron, 417th Bomb Group(L). I would like if someone could give the serial number of the plane. Two of the crew members was S/Sgt William H. Foster and S/Sgt Roy M. Bowers.  Thank You:
John Hennessy
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RE: Need Information On A-20G - 07/08/2005 09:54:31 PM
John...I suspect the MACRs were made up after the war....a pecularity....William Foster is shown in the abmc website as date of death of 15 Apr 1944, and Roy Bowers is shown as date of death of 15 Oct 1944.
 
Again, I suspect the MACRs were made up after the war, which would mean the numbers will fall in the 16,000 range.
 
You can verify this by going to the abmc website and inputting the SQUADRON number in the UNIT section.
 
www.abmc.org  select WW II, and the Squadron.
 
Jim :-)
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RE: Need Information On A-20G - 07/08/2005 10:11:16 PM
Jim, just a slight correction on the web link for abmc should be .gov instead of .org
http://www.abmc.gov/ 
 
John, can you provide a bit more information regarding your 3 recent posts?  Curious about the dates and how you are correlating the crew names and locations?  Can you share where you are obtaining your starting information? 
I believe Jim may be correct about the 16,000 macr block.  But like he discovered the two crewman you provide in this post have different dates for their ultimate sacrafice.  Regarding your other two posts I tried other dates near the ones you provided as well as switching the month and day but still came up empty after searching individual s/n's.  I am not very knowledgeable about the 16,000 macr block and how and why they were generated, but found it odd that the BG's you provide have earlier macr #'s on either side of the dates you provided. 
I wish you luck!  -Keith
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RE: Need Information On A-20G - 07/08/2005 10:25:11 PM
Keith...I guess I am getting old and careless...you are correct.
 
The 16,000 series of MACRs were generated after the war, with captured Japanese and German records....the war in the Pacific was too fluid at the time to worry about records, as sometimes it was all an outfit could do, was stay ahead of the advancing Japanese.
 
A lot of dates in the 16,000 series of MACRs are the dates the MACR was originated, and not the actual date of death. The dates shown in the abmc therefore cannot be trusted as to the actual date of death.
 
I . too, checked the dates on either side of the requested dates and found nothing, in the 1-14,000 MACR database, which led me to guess that the MACRs will fall in the 16,000 range. Having said that...I also understand that  there will be on average, 30-40%  overall of the missing will have NO MACR or any records of those missing. The Pacific is huge and holds many secrets.
 
Jim :-)
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RE: Need Information On A-20G - 07/08/2005 10:34:13 PM
Could one say that the majority of 16000 block macrs were from the Pacific Theaters, which as you explain were much more, uh, let's say fluid ?  It sure is sad that the Pacific, in fact holds so many secrets.
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RE: Need Information On A-20G - 07/09/2005 12:37:01 AM
Keith...When I was in the Army I was with the Army Central Identification Laboratory. I made many trips to Paupa New Guinea and other Pacific Islands searching for missing aircraft and to recover the remains if any. During this time I did alot of research with Mr Bruce D. Hoy, Curator, Aviation, Maritime and War Branch of National Museum and Art Gallery in Port Morsby. I have some records from all this research , also I have records and logs from the Australian Army which help us in our MIA cases by searching US crash sites along with theirs and recover remains when found after the war and into the 1960's.
John Hennessy

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