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Lt's Rosbeiger and Quigley 1943

I have a query regarding the correct names of two probable 96th BG members.

In April 1943, the following crew landed at what is now Dublin airport having lost their way from the US.
1/Lt Cecil Walters 0-664094 KIA
Lt S Rosbeiger 0-790297
Lt EC Quigley 0-733355
2/Lt James C Olson O-736318 KIA
S/Sgt Barnett H Goodman 35285949 KIA
S/Sgt Joseph A. Wolozyn 13087777 KIA
S/Sgt Rowland Domenick 35390046 KIA
S/Sgt Frank G. Wade, Jr. 38204123 KIA
S/Sgt Joseph H. Truitt 35487257 KIA
S/Sgt Ralph E. Lewis 31077856 KIA

All except 'Rosbeiger' and Quigley died in July 1943 with the 96th BG.

Might it be possible to confirm what the corect names of Rosbeiger and Quigley were?  Names come from the Irish Army report on the incident and their may be typo's in the names, especially the former.  Alternativly, these two men may have gone to another group.

Thank you for your help and time.  It is for my online database linked below.

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    Dennis,
    There is a mention of these two names in the book Snetterton Falcons Enhanced Edition.  It references to a Ed Quigley (Bombardier) and a Howard (Sid) Rossberger (Navigator) 337th Squadron. Both were wounded on the July 28th mission on Oschersleben, Germany on board AC 42-30370 Little Ceasar,  Piloted by 1st Lt Cecil Walters.  Quigley was hospitalized for several months. In the book he gives his account of his being wounded and still able to drop bombs. I thought it was quite impressive.  The next day July 29th on mission #22 to Warnemunde, Germany. 1st Lt Cecil Walters plane collided with another plane on the way back to England.   MACR# 144  Wish I could help more.

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    Berk,
    hello there, Many thanks for the information below, it helps a lot actually!!  Geioff Ward in the 96th BGA sent me similar info last night but I couldn't find Sydney Rossberger on the NARA index.  Coudl he be Howard Rossberger?  Actually Rossberger does not return on the NARA enlistment records but I must try it again in the reserve records.
     
    Our Military recorded him (file is hard to read mind you) as Rossbeiger but they sometimes had glaring errors in names, perhaps written from hearing them.
     
    Thanks again
     
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    Dennis,
    I have found spelling mistakes in the book I told you about. They have corrected many. The spelling of the names is what I found in the book.  I did check in the NARA enlistment records online and found a Sidney Rosberger. Enlisted in the Air Corps . Army # 12046581 enlisted in Essex, New Jersey. It could be the one you are looking for. I don't know. I went to NARA II and  looked at records for the 21th mission on July 28th. Did not see a loading list but did see a interrogation form. It had Walters and E C Quigley but no Rosberger of any type of spelling. It showed the navigator as 2nd Lt J H Boland.  Glanced  through records for July missions and didn't see his name anywhere. Could have missed it. If I go back I will take a closer look. Only reference to him I have found is where Quigley mentions him in the book. Do you have other information that may help in a search?

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    HEllo Berk,
     
    thank you for your additonal message, I'd not seen it until this morning.
     
    I don't have a further source at this time.   I may contact the AFHRA or similar at some stage.
     
    The spelling as recorded by out Irish Military may well be correct but I'm sure we can figure it out given some more time.
     
    Thanks again.
     I'll keep you updated.
     
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    Jim McCabe, Historian
    307th BG Assoc.
    www.307bg.net 
    My father, Lt. Mike McCabe(deceased 4/26/05), 307th BG, 424th BS, was a Navigator based at Morotai. Mission dates ranged from 2/20/45-8/1/45.
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    Hey, thanks Jim,
    thats appreciated!
     
    regards, Dennis
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    Dennis,
      Found out some interesting information. The book Snetterton Falcons mentions a Sydney  Rosberger a second time as being the navigator aboard the aircraft  42-30602 (Dry Run III) piloted by 2nd Lt Bacon a month after losing his original crew. The plane Black Heart Jr caught fire due to an electrical fault and the pilot Lt Attaway pulled out of formation almost hitting the plane Dry Run III. Oxygen bottles exploded.   Everyone got out except the co-pilot who didn't have a chute and ended up going back to the controls and landed the plane. He got out after it sled to a stop and it blew up just after he got away from the plane. Anyway, I have copies of some of the interrogations forms for 2nd Lt W F Bacon. There is a S. D. Rosberger listed in the crew of the following mission dates all piloted by 2nd Lt W F Bacon. Apparently he became a member of this crew.
    12/8/43
    15/8/43
    16/8/43
    19/8/43
    27/8/43
    31/8/43
    3/9/43
    9/9/43
    15/9/43
    Do not have information after this date.
     
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    Hello Berk,
     
    many many thanks for that.  There at least is a story for both the survivors of the irish landing crew.  That is fantastic information and thank you for following up on it after this time.
     
    Many regards
     
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    Dennis,
     No problem. Since it turns out that Rosberger flew with the 96th BG 338th Sqdn I am sure I will run across his name again while searching information on the 339th. Will relay whatever I find. Would appreciate you doing the same if you run across information for my uncle.
     
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    Thank again Berk,
    I'm not sure that I'll find anything useful for you as my searching is a little limited.
     
    Many thanks again.
     
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    Gentlemen . . .

    My name is Scott Ross.  I am a native son and lifelong resident of Miami, Florida. 
     
    As implied by my username, I am the second-born child and only son of USAF 1st Lt. Sidney D. Rosberger, navigator of the Boeing B-17F-70-BO Fortress known as "Little Caesar," and one of only two surviving crew members spared by fate in the July 1943 tragedy which claimed the lives of the crew he so dearly loved.
     


    I am overwhelmed with pride and gratitude, and overcome with emotion that you honor his memory with your recollections herein.

    I regret to report that Lt. Rosberger passed away from heart disease in March 1980, at the age 63, after mastering the art of living, giving and loving all with whom he came in contact; and endowing his children with the virtues of kindness, courage, honor and character, reinforced daily by his unflinching example.  He was so widely beloved and admired in his community (Miami Beach), where he thrived as a retail merchant of home interior accessories, that the mere mention of his name -- even decades after his passing -- ignited smiles and wildfire superlatives, as if on queue.  The love affair to which he committed while a cadet and athlete at Pennsylvania Military College (PMC) -- now, Widener University -- blossomed into an epic, lifelong honeymoon.  Sid and Miriam were syncopated lovers, beating to one heart.  Perfect bliss, wrapped in honor, respect and duty.  What you'd expect of a classic WWII-era officer and gentleman.
     


    Aside from family, faith and friends, he valued and revered nothing more than his service as an Air Force officer and combat navigator, and his education, athletic achievements and military training at PMC.  Had his life bridged into the Internet era, he'd have been elbow-deep in this forum conversation long ago.  In fact, he'd likely have started it.  
     


    You may have already observed, my dad shortened his name from Rosberger to Ross shortly after the war, which likely explains why the rest of his life became an unsolvable puzzle to those of you who expressed interest and/or seached for him on the Web.  Ironically, you guys have demonstrated herein EXACTLY why he chose to simplify his last name.  If you look at the title and comments which comprise this discussion thread, you'll notice that the name "Rosberger" is twice misspelled (Rosbeiger, Rossberger).  These are two of about a half-dozen other common misspellings which repeatedly screwed-up his discharge papers and delayed his transition back to civilian life.   Bye-bye Lt. Rosberger.  At ease, Mr. Ross.  

    This should also explain why it's taken me this long to find you guys on the Web.  Until yesterday, I had never thought to Google misspellings of Rosberger.

    In his absence, I hope you don't mind me inviting myself into your discussion, even if just a lowly, stateside Army reserve scrub during the Vietnam era, whose closest brush with combat was ducking tracer bullets and CS gas grenades at bivouac.  

    I would be abundantly grateful if those of you who are able would share whatever you may know or recall about my dad, his squadron/bomb group and his WWII adventures.  If, per chance, you knew him personally, your recollections will be an unexpected thrill.  Related digital photos -- especially any which might include his ill-fated bomber, Little Caesar -- would be a blessing that my sister and I can preserve and share for generations.  For some reason, I can't seem to locate the Little Caesar crew photo I recall having seen.  

    On the flipside, I've dug-up some classic crew photos from the 96th which may help connect you and other war veterans with your own pals and adventures.  The crew photos are all date-stamped 1943 and feature flight crews headed, respectively, by: Lt. Siementowski, Capt. Flagg, Lt. Moreland, Lt. Jerger, Capt. Madson, Lt. Snyder, Capt. Hodson, Lt. Shelton, F/O Collette and Lt. Harris, whose crew photo is also hand-captioned with the name, Lt. Dorsey.  Additionally, a photo of Capt. Iverson's crew ("Mischief-Mker II") includes the corresponding handwritten names of the following airmen:  Sgt. E.M. Walker, Sgt. E.D. Dolan, Sgt. B.E. Dobson, Sgt. M.A. Olson, Sgt. W.B. Driscoll, Capt. V.L. Iverson, Capt. R.L. Davidson, Lt. J.L. Gowly, Capt, M.A. Arpaio and Sgt. M.D. Brenno.  The photo of Capt. Madson's crew is hand-captioned with the names: Capt. William Jones, Lt. William Burdick, Lt. Lewis Greene and Capt. Francis "Fran" Madson.

    Other miscellaneous photos are stamped or hand-captioned with the following names: Major Hayes, Col. Herb Roark, Lt. Ehrenkrantz, Major Schlessinger, and Capt. Hodges.

    Now, here come the pièce de résistance, fellas!  I have three photos which appear to have been taken at the same time, but only one of which is inscribed, "Awarding of Silver Stars."  Although a total of 15 men are pictured in the series, the following names are handwritten on the backs of two of the photos: Sgt. Budd R. Schmidt, Capt. Francis Madson, Lt. Lou Greene (2) and Lt. Maxwell Barrett.  They are among those who are receiving the award from Col. Curtis Le May, the storied WWII general who would resurface in 1968 as the hand-picked vice presidential running mate in the ill-fated presidential campaign of George Wallace.  

    Only Sgt. Schmidt's name is listed at homeofheroes.com as a Silver Star recipient.  However, the site's publisher disclaims that the list may be incomplete. 

    Well, I think I've given you enough to chew on in one sitting.  If, perhaps, you can help in my quest for info, insight and photos of my dad, I will be even more in your debt than I am already.  If any of the photos described herein can help you or someone you know reconnect the dots of war, I will be honored to scan and upload the digital images.

    On behalf of my sister, Barbara Ross Fruitman, and brother-in-law, Paul Fruitman, of Aurora, Colorado, as well as their sons, my sons, and the generations that follow, thank you for sustaining the memory of our remarkable hero, my dad.

    I hope this moment finds you well, and well enough to respond.  Soon.  You will always remain at the forefront of my Memorial Day and Veterans Day thoughts and prayers.

    Respectfully,
    Scott Ross
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    Scott,
      The book Snetterton Falcons has a crew photo on page 39. The caption beneath the photo reads:
    Little Ceasar crew fought their way to Oschersleben and survived . Except for the last two men front right. Ed Quigley and Sid Rosberger, the rest were killed on return from Warnemunde the very next day. 7-29-43  (Quigley)
    Since (Quigley) is at the end of the caption, that he probably supplied the photo. 
     
    Quigley also gives his account of the Oschersleben mission in which he mentions Sid briefly. If you are interested I can send you a PM with what he had to say about the mission.
     
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    Berk . . .
     
    Thanks so very much for your kind response.  Profound apologies for not responding sooner, but I was unaware of your follow-up post until I stumbled into the notification this morning in my junk mail filter.  
     
    By all means, whatever info you may have or might be able to source, including Quigley's recollections about the mission, would be VERY much appreciated.  Thank you!  As for the book, "Snetterton Falcons," it is long out of circulation and impossible to source on the Web.  If you have a hard copy of the book and can create a decent digital scan of page 39, my sister and I would be thankful beyond words.  Otherwise, in the unlikely chance you know of someone in South Florida who might have a copy of the book, I would be pleased to reach-out to that person.
     
    Thanks again.  Sorry for the delinquent response.  I'll keep an eye out for your follow-up.
     
    Cordially,
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    Berk . . .
     
    I  responded to your PM moments ago, but am unsure whether or not it was delivered because neither of two attempted messages appear in my SENT folder.  If you do/did not receive my private response, please post accordingly and we'll figure out an alternative method.
     
    Thanks,
    Scott
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    Hello Scott,
     
    wonderful to hear from you and I'm glad that my old thread brought you some information.  I had placed this crew from the landing in Ireland on the back burner and for some reason they pooped into my mind the other evening.  I found the 1980 Miama News obituary for your Dad which highlighted the name change.  I only just found your messages now.
     
    It is wonderful to see a photo of your dad after my few years of searching.  I will see if you get to read this and I may contact you off board perhaps.  A photo of the crew from ireland or any small memories he might have left of his very short stay in Ireland would be wonderful to hear.
    best regards
     
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    Gentlemen . . .

    Today marks 69 years since the the USAF B-17 Flying Fortress "Little Caesar" collided with fate over the North Sea, claiming the lives of all on board.  In their honor, this photo tribute and excerpt from the book "Snetterton Falcons" memorializes the officers and crew of the Little Caesar, 96th Bomb Group, 338th Bombardment Squadron, based at Snetterton Field in England.

    http://tinyurl.com/littlecaesartribute
    (Click the destination image to enlarge to its original 1000px x 2057px size.)

    HONOR ROLL:
    1st Lt. Cecil Walters, Pilot :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    1st Lt. Sidney D. Rosberger, Navigator :: March 9, 1980
    2nd Lt. James Olsen, Co-Pilot :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    2nd Lt. Edward Quigley, Bombardier :: June 6, 2006
    * 2nd Lt. Jerome Boland, Interim Navigator :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    * 2nd Lt. Joseph Lewis, Interim Bombardier :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    T/Sgt. Ralph Lewis, Radio Operator :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    S/Sgt. Frank Wade, Jr., Tail Gunner :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    S/Sgt. Roland Domenick, Ball-Turret Gunner :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    S/Sgt. Joseph Truitt, Waist Gunner :: KIA :: July 29, 1943
    T/Sgt. Barnett Goodman, Flight Engineer :: KIA :: July 29, 1943

    * Lt.'s Boland and Lewis replaced Lt.'s Rosberger and Quigley, who had been injured and were grounded on July 29, 1943, the date on which the men of Little Caesar perished.
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