I am looking for the exact circumstances of the loss that ship (and the approx area also, if it is possible) Was it an AA hit, or a fighter attack?

TIA,

Adams

The MACR 10081 will give details of what caused the crash. The a/c crashed "Near Salzburg".

Jim :-)

James S. Peters Sr. T/Sgt
B-17 Flt Engr, 27 missions
99 BG, 348BS, 5th Wing, 15th AAF
Tortorella, (Foggia#2), Italy
My Tour was from 12/03/44-06/19/45
M/Sgt USAF (Retired)

i am a eyewitness. this plane was shut down by nazi.s fighters over north lake garda (italy) it crashed at 45,52 N and 10,53 E.no fire, some chutes seen. the plane was probably damaged by terrific winds from the north on the way back to lucera after bombing linz works.. emil

FF56

B - 17 # 42 - 97728
PFF  - Pathfinder
301st BG , 352d Sq.
Mitchco Crew
Lost 11/15/44
8 KIA  2 POW
MACR # 10081
Mike
 

did you have some more confirmation about this loss?the only loss of b17 olive drab in Italy (what I saw) was this.riva56

the plane crashed at 45,88N and 10,83E  on november 5th 1944 btween 11am and 13pm. over mount Stivo over north lake Garda.if you need more informations of what happened please e-mail me.riva56

 DOH ! I just realized my Typo -
Date should be 11/5/44
My Bad -
Mike

did you receive my informations about the question you asked for?  the plane crashed  at 45,52N and 10,53E  over mount Stivo north lake Garda  Italy. more information about what happened  i will give you by e-mail.riva56

Hello,
 
see also:
 

http://forum.armyairforces.com/m_123071/printable.htm

 

 

Ulf

I'm search all information about the FG activities on April 17th 1945 in Europe.

dear jim, it is supposed that the above plane was lost over austrian alps but is not sure. regards.riva56

why from april 2004 you did not have informations about circumstances of the above loss. thanks. riva56

Hello,
the plane crashed over austria at the mountain Schöneck, round 90 kilometers south east of Salzburg. I stay in contact with the son of Hillhouse Harry.
I send him a copie of the postcard which his father drawed in the forrest house
schwarzensee before he where captured. On this card also was the date 19. February 1944, married, thats the date Hillhouse has married and that is rigth.
He tell me that it was his fathers write, and the Date 15.11.1944 was the crash, and at 16.11.1944 he was captured, and at 19. February he has married.
The next document was the number of a damaged gun of the plane
1181809, a friend bring them down from the crashside in 1982.
He polished the number out of the gun. And this gun was on B-17G 97728!!!
Who brings this gun from an other crashside on the mountain schöneck????
The mountain is very steep, and you walk to the crashide 7 houers.
The pictures of the gunnumber i get next sunday, 21 October.
If anyone would like to see the postcard and the number, please send me a mail.
rpieber@a1.net
 
Best regards
 
Richard

Hello,
here is a copie of the postcard, i brougth the dataquantity low.
 
Regards Richard

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hallo Mike, there are some conflict between different records but I am sure from nara documents that this plane was lost on 5th not 15th. On the forums I see always 15th:Can you help me to have more informations about it. Have my best regards.riva56

dear JIM ,can you help me to know the losses of b17 planes over Italy between 1944-1945? thanks in advance.riva56

dear peter, may i have the exact story of the loss of plane 42-97728 ? I have two different dates of this loss 5th and 15th november 1944. Until now I do not know exactly what happened. I think to be witness of this loss, november 5th morning  10,30  a.m. over northern skies of italy .thank you very very much for you help. riva56 

 dear adams what did you know about this plane?  I am still looking for exact informatonsI about this plane. some records say it lost on november 5th 1944. some other losg on november 15th. The 42-97728 I am sure that was lost over italian skies shot down by some nazi's fighters. Please tell me something about it.thanks a lot from riva56

FF56

Riva -
Got PM.
The Date in Roger Freeman's B - 17 Book is
November 15 , 44.
His Information is from the A/C Record Card
MACR # 10081
MACRs Online at www.footnote.com
Mike
 
 

dear Adams,what about your mail of october 2004? did you had informations about the loss of above plane?thanks a lot.riva56

thanks for the answer, if youcheck on web usaa/usaf Accident-report.com informations aircraft incident serial numbers,you will see that the above plane was mising on november 5th 1944, location ,mediterranean. which is correct.can you help me.thanks.riva56