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Looking for some photos
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08/18/2007 07:08:44 AM
Hello!
I hope that you can help me with some informations..
Does anyone have a photos of the following 2nd BG forts (particularly the nose art) : B-17G 50 DL 46350 Helen Belle (429th BS) B-17G 50 DL 46456 The Great Speckled Bird (20th BS) B-17G 60 DL 46635 Roundtrip (49th BS) B-17G 60 DL 46671 Homesick (20th BS) B-17G 60 DL 46682 Lucky 7 (429th BS) B-17G 50 VE 48108 Linda Jane/ Sir John Wilco (429th BS) B-17G 50 VE 48168 Flying Home (49th BS) At least one aircraft... Thanks!
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/20/2007 04:50:53 AM
One more thing-any nose art photo of B-17G 42-31889 Mammy Yokum? This fort force-landed in Switzerland on 18 july 1944.
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/20/2007 11:33:46 AM
Chobi -
There is a Good Photo of # 42 - 31889 taken in Switzerland 7/18/44
You can see the PFF Markings on Tail and Wings.
Book: Strangers in A Strange Land Vol. II by Hans Stapfer Page 49
This was a Stand By B - 17 the Lead Crew flew on this Mission.
Capt. Millard F. Pedigo Lead Crew
# 42 - 320131 " Mammy Yocum " was Destroyed when the
Pedigo Crew Crash landed 4/8/44 -
Mike
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/20/2007 03:04:16 PM
Thanks shooshoo. I saw that photo, but unfortunately the nose art isn't visible. Don't know was it only an inscription ''Mammy Yokum'' or it was also some drawing...? You say ''PFF markings'', did you mean on dark blue wing bands (with white outline?) and OD/dark blue rudder (also with white stripes) or on something else? Does this fort had dark blue elevators too, or OD/gray? In the same book I saw a few more 42-31889 photos, not sure but looks to me that it had cheyenne tail turret?
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/21/2007 04:26:03 AM
Chobi the blue wing bands and elevators were the 2BG markings, the white "arrow" and wider white rudder band were the 429BS markings. On camouflaged aircraft the rudders were usually white with a blue band but this one has alternating OD - blue stripes with narrow white edges.
It had a Cheyenne tail turret. I think it only had the name, on the lower nose. Nick
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/21/2007 05:34:04 AM
Mike...Dick Drain's 5th Wing History of Aircraft Assigned, shows :
42-32031 as Mammy Yokum 483,2
42-38078 as Mammy Yokum II 2
42-321889 as Mammy Yokum III. 99,2
Jim :-)
James S. Peters Sr. T/Sgt B-17 Flt Engr, 27 missions 99 BG, 348BS, 5th Wing, 15th AAF Tortorella, (Foggia#2), Italy My Tour was from 12/03/44-06/19/45 M/Sgt USAF (Retired)
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/21/2007 06:57:35 AM
I haven't been able to find any photos of the Mammy Yokums that flew in the 99th. I believe that the first one, 42-32031 had nose art similar to the squadron insignia of the 817th BS of the 483rd BG. This squadron was known as the Mammy Yokum squadron.
Marty
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RE: Looking for some photos
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08/26/2007 07:06:48 PM
Chobi, I just stumbled upon this thread, researching a book I am writing about my father and my heart is still thumping! I will get the pic and post it but for now here is a scan of a photocopy: <a href=" http://www.flickr.com/photos/12091228@N07/1243567629/" title="Photo Sharing"><img Briefly, 2nd Lt. William S. Winkler was co-pilot from the factory just out of training with the 483rd, 817th squadron. They all decided to use names from Li'l Abner and my dad painted Mammy. The squadron adopted his logo for the whole squadron but on arrival in Italy, the crew and ship were transferred to the 2nd group. He never flew a mission with the guys who adopted his logo! I got the skinny on the wreck of Mammy, too but that'll be in the book! Title so far: Memmingen. I hope to fish you guys for lots of info.
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Re wing bands,rudders
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02/23/2008 08:09:07 PM
As a kid ,50s,I went into a camera store in chicago w my father,he had a baseball hat w a 15th logo,german guy in the store said something about it,my father mentioned he flew w the 2nd group,,the guy replied "he was a fighter pilot w the luftwaffe in Rumania,",mentioned the dark blue markings,,the conversation taped would be a treasure today.
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RE: Looking for some photos
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03/10/2008 05:45:47 AM
ORIGINAL: Wink104
Chobi,
I just stumbled upon this thread, researching a book I am writing about my father and my heart is still thumping! I will get the pic and post it but for now here is a scan of a photocopy:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/12091228@N07/1243567629/" title="Photo Sharing"><img
Briefly, 2nd Lt. William S. Winkler was co-pilot from the factory just out of training with the 483rd, 817th squadron. They all decided to use names from Li'l Abner and my dad painted Mammy. The squadron adopted his logo for the whole squadron but on arrival in Italy, the crew and ship were transferred to the 2nd group. He never flew a mission with the guys who adopted his logo!
I got the skinny on the wreck of Mammy, too but that'll be in the book! Title so far: Memmingen. I hope to fish you guys for lots of info.
So, this is the photo of 42-31889 Mammy Yokum, is that right? If you maybe have some better photo of nose-art , please let us see it here. Thank you.
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