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2010/09/21 16:54:34 (permalink)
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Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots

 
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I have searched this forum for the following B-17 pilots to no avail. I am looking for their Bomb Groups and Squadrons. Any suggestions or help is appreciated.   I am updating this list with the groups and squadrons in green as they are found.
2Lt Richard F. Adam O-755254 - 447th BG, 708th BS 
1Lt Charles R. Allen O-724503 - 303rd BG, 427th BS
2Lt Austin A. Allman O-757147 - 390th BG, 569th BS
2Lt Charles F. Anderson O-755259 - 351st BG, 520th BS
2Lt David J. Anderson Jr O-757148 - 390th BG, 568th 
2Lt James R. Bailey O-725485 - 492nd BG, 406th NLS
2Lt Homer P. Bailie O-757368 - 303rd BG, 358th BS
2Lt John H. Baker O-757369 - 303rd BG, 358th BS
1Lt Jack C. W. Batty O-504240 - 385th BG, 548th BS
2Lt Murrell J. Baxter O-756152
2Lt Francis H. Bennett O-757151 - 306th BG, 369th BS
2Lt John B. Bonds Jr O-755629
2Lt Fred E. Borns O-757370 - 385th BG, 550th BS
1Lt Jack DeHaas O-659106- 447th BG, 708th BS 
2Lt James H. Griffin O-810869 - 95th BG, 334th BS
1Lt Stephen L. Houser O-660756 - 95th BG, 335th BS 
2Lt Dugald G. Leitch O-811409 - 447th BG, 708th BS
2Lt Edward C. MacDaniel O-810179 - 96th BG,337th BS
2Lt George A. McCann O-810188 - 379th BG, 527th BS 
2Lt Mark Medick O-811113 - 351st BG, 509th BS 
2Lt Walter Miller Jr O-811118 - 447th BG, 710th BS
2Lt James M. Miller O-810920 - 95th BG, 336th BS 
2Lt Alfred D. Neal O-811124 - 351st BG, 520th BS
2Lt William S. Nessline O-810202 - KIFA 3/21/44 Pyote
1Lt Henry J. Nichols O-790027 - 94th BG, 333rd BS
1Lt Sam Oliver O-664437 - 303rd BG, 358th BS
1Lt Sanford D. Palmer Jr O-441014 - 452nd BG, 728th BS
2Lt Robert E. Parker O-811431 - 95th BG, 334th BS
2Lt Shirley A. Parvin Jr O-689343 - 452nd BG, 729th BS
2Lt Maxine D. Peterson O-810212
2Lt James W. Shanks O-810234 - 92nd BG, 326th BS
1Lt Wilbur W. Smith O-724995 - 385th BG, 550th BS
2Lt Paul W. Sowers O-810244 - 385th BG,
2Lt Raymond R. Stevenson O-810249 - 384th BG, 547th BS
2Lt Meyer Tupler O-811470 - 305th BG, 366th BS
2Lt John P. Watson O-757405 - 303rd BG, 358th BS
2Lt George L. Williamson Jr O-810091 - 351st BG, 520th BS
2Lt Richard H. Wolff O-811483 - 385th BG,
2Lt Marion R. Wood O-807180 - 305th BG, 365th BS
2Lt Charles R. Woodrum O-809905 - 351st BG, 520th BS
2Lt Lionel B. Wright O-810096
Thanks,
Chris
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/21 17:33:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Chris,
 
Your request gives the impression that these men are from different units.  Can you tell us the common thread that links them together and causes them to be on this list?
 
I have found a single document, a statement made by Mark Medick, in which he states that he was the pilot of 42-97202 on a mission to Ludwigshaven on May 27, 1944.  The statement does not mention his SQ or BG  but Freeman says 42-97202 was assigned to the 351st BG.
 
Dugald Leitch was the pilot of 42-102652 lost on June 29, 1944, 447th BG, 708th Sq.  See MACR 6729.
 
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post edited by LUCKY PARTNERS - 2010/09/21 18:01:34
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/21 18:05:00 (permalink)
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Hal
 
After my father’s death, I received his service records and attempted to fill in the gaps only to discover that his Official Military Personnel File (along with approximately 18 million others) had been destroyed by a fire at the National Personnel Records Center on July 12, 1973.
After my initial disappointment, I realized how important the documents I had from my father’s service were because of all the other personnel listed on them.  So I have indexed the men listed on the various documents, producing a list of 903 Army Air Corp personnel.
 
The common thread is that all of these pilots were listed on various documents from my father’s service records.  A couple of those documents are training crew lists that contain hundreds of names.
 
Now I am searching for anyone looking for records on those men. That was relatively easy on this forum, and I was able to identify 191 assignments.  My next step is to search the various group web sites for the pilots.  As you know, often the other 9 men of the crew will be listed with the pilot.
 
Thanks,
Chris
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/21 18:12:19 (permalink)
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Chris,
 
Quite a project.  What outfit was your father with?  Curious because the two men I noted above were with different BGs.  How far back do your documents go, all the way back to stateside training?  Either way, I will continue to look.
 
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/21 18:36:11 (permalink)
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Hal,
My father was a bombardier with the 710th BS, 447th BG. 
Most of the records with other men listed are from training.
The following list are the BG and the count of men assigned at this point.
100th                          20
301st                          1
303rd                          1
305th                          2
306th                          10
351st                          1
379th                          2
381st                          11
384th                          43
385th                          2
385th                          2
401st                          1
447th                          75
452nd                         4
492nd                         2
8th AF                        1
91st                           7
92nd                           6
93rd                           1
94th                           1
96th                           1
Hq 2d CCRC               1
Hq US Strategic AF     1
Hq 8 AF Comp Comd   1
 
Thanks for your help,
Chris
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/21 19:17:36 (permalink)
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Chris,
 
Three more, Richard F. Adam, Jackson DeHaas, and Walter Miller all appear on my roster of pilots in the 447th.  Unfortunately my roster does not include serial numbers so I'll need to find another reference point to be sure.
 
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/21 19:26:11 (permalink)
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I just received MACR # 8887 for Lt James W Shanks' from the 92nd BG.
 
 
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/22 14:48:26 (permalink)
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You might try the new website for the 306th BG.
 
www.306.org
 

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367th BS
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/22 21:54:47 (permalink)
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Today's efforts have identified Bomb Groups for the following eight pilots:
Charles F. Anderson        351st BG, 510th BS
Homer P. Bailie                303rd BG, 358th BS
John H . Baker                 303rd BG, 358th BS
Alfred D. Neal                  351st BG, 510th BS
Sam Oliver                       303rd BG, 358th BS
John P. Watson               303rd BG, 358th BS
George L. Williamson Jr.  351st BG, 510th BS
Charles R. Woodrum       351st BG, 511th BS
 
I have edited my initial post with the progress so we don't duplicate effort.
Thanks,
Chris
 
post edited by cwames - 2010/09/23 02:50:57
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/23 12:07:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Chris -
Lt. Henry J. Nichols - 94th BG 333d Sq.
Shot Down 6/21/44  KIA
B-17 # 42 - 97614 " Nick's Place "
Lt. Shirley A. Parvin Jr. - 452d BG 729th Sq.
Shot Down 5/29/44  POW
B-17 # 42 - 31358 " Big Nosie "   " Big Barn Smell "
Lt. Marion R. Wood - 305th BG  365th Sq.
Shot down 8/9/44  KIA
B-17 # 43 - 37965
Still Looking,
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/23 12:37:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Chris -
Captain Jack Batty - 385th BG  548th Sq.
Shot Down 10/6/44  KIA
B - 17 # 44 - 8413 
In Bits and Pieces , His Middle Initial in Heavy Bombers
is listed as G. In Roll of Honor , Listed as W.
Hometown -  Battle Creek , Mich.
??????,
Mike
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/23 15:29:46 (permalink)
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Mike,
On three sets of orders Lt Batty is listed "Jack G W Batty".
 
Thanks for all your help.
 
Chris
 
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/23 17:29:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Chris -
Lt. Walt Miller - 447th BG  710th Sq.
B - 17 #42 - 102668 G  " Cock O' The Sky "
Crew Completed Missions - Returned U.S.
Lt. Jack DeHass - 447th BG  708th Sq.
Lt. Richard Adam -  447th BG  708th Sq. 
Info from 447th History Book
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/23 17:40:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Chris -
Lt. Francis H. Bennett - 306th BG  369th Sq.
Info from 306th History Book.
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/23 23:51:04 (permalink)
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I wish you the very best of success, however I have noticed once again it is largely a Eighth Air Force listing.
You want a real challenge locate the Pilots and crews of the 11 BG H, the 7 TH Air Corp/Force or the 13 TH and their Squadrons.
Many of their names are listed on  Memorials in the Pacific some where, where they and their planes lie only our Lord knows.
It is something when you think they were at Hickam the very second the War began and they were there the day the war ended. NO Other Air Corp/Force Units or Squadrons can claim that distinction
 
 

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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/24 01:13:12 (permalink)
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I only found one today:
 
2Lt Austin A. Allman, 390th BG, 569th BS.
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/25 13:00:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Hi Chris,

1Lt Charles R. Allen O-724503
nara pow record - parent unit listed as 303 (303rd bg)
from 303rd bg web site (303rdbga.com)
Personnel link:
ALLEN          CHARLES R      2/LT             427TH     PILOT   04-28-44  06-21-44  ALLEN,C R CR  POW
 
Combat Crews link:
Mission 187, 21 June 1944, To Berlin, Germany in B-17G 42-97096 (no name) (427BS) GN-T. B-17 received a direct flak hit just after "bombs away." It fell out of the formation to the left. Three men were observed coming out of the main fuselage door. It then went into a steep dive and crashed at Schielowsee, Germany. S/Sgt John H. Reed (R) was killed in action. All other crewmen were captured and became POWs.
 
There is additional information available on the 303rd web site.
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/09/26 20:17:11 (permalink)
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I identified four more:
Lt David J. Anderson - 390th BG, 568th BS 
Lt Stephen L. Houser - 95th BS, 335th BS
Lt George A. McCann - 379th BG, 527th BS
Lt James M. Miller - 95th BG, 336th BS 
  
post edited by cwames - 2010/09/27 01:31:34
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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/11/05 14:20:10 (permalink)
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Get the book "The Mighty Eighth" my Roger Freeman.  It has everything about crews, etc of the 8th Air Force.  You can buy it on Amazon.com.

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Re:Looking for Groups and Squadrons for a list of B-17 pilots 2010/11/07 08:40:03 (permalink)
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Hello,
her links for 303' crew pics :
Bailie :
http://www.303rdbg.com/358bailie.html
Allen :
http://www.303rdbg.com/427allen.html
Baker :
http://www.303rdbg.com/358baker.html
Oliver :
http://www.303rdbg.com/358oliver.html
Watson :
http://www.303rdbg.com/358watson-jp.html
 
from my friend Gary L Moncur' excellent website
 
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